Date   

Re: Lives of Harry Lime

Bob Stepno
 

Very good to hear... Hearing the Lives of Harry Lime episodes that were converted into "Europe Confidential" scripts made me wonder whether any of the other episodes had previous incarnations in other Towers series. I also wonder to what extent Welles was involved in writing the Harry Lime scripts, or whether he knew of Towers' script-recycling. Wikipedia says that one Welles did write became the basis for his film Mr. Arkadin.  However, that is not one of the 50 titles I downloaded from the Internet Archive wayback when, at least not under the title WIkipedia gives, "Man of Mystery." Have to go looking for the Mr. Arkadin DVD at the university library.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adventures_of_Harry_Lime 

Sadly, I also missed the 2019 BBC series about Towers... I wonder if it gets e rebroadcast like some other productions. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0001wkw

 Cheers,

 Bob


Rick Davenport's Document With Evelyn Winters Series Information

Larry Maupin
 

This will be my last post about this distro.  One member of the group just sent me a message indicating that he did not see the download link in the message I posted this morning about Rick's series document.  It was embedded in the message I sent, but apparently was somehow filtered out in the process of sending it to the message board.

My suggestion to everyone who actually wants it (many may just be content to have the episodes themselves, which is usually sufficient in a distro) is to contact Rick directly at klingon1@... and ask him to send it.  I hope the number of requests will not be large enough to inconvenience him

Larry

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Larry Maupin


Re: Final List of Titles and Dates of Evelyn Winters Distro

Larry Maupin
 

Thank you Barbara.  I did not have a date for Walter Returns to Washington, and will send it to Ryan tomorrow so that he can add it to the text document he plans to submit to Paul Kornman, which will accompany the set when Paul uploads it to the library.  As to Jenny's Part in New Comedy, I found that I had the same date for two different episodes.  In trying to resolve that, I found that Jenny's Part in New Comedy has a date of 10/15/46 on the CD label and changed it on the list of episodes to that date.

Larry

-----------------------------------------

From: "B. J. Watkins"
To: "main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io"
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday December 7 2021 12:56:00PM
Subject: Re: [OldTimeRadioResearchers] Final List of Titles and Dates of Evelyn Winters Distro

I have a few issues with the list but for now I'll just say that previously you've dated Jenny's Part in New Comedy as 10-15-45 and now it's listed as 10-15-46.  And I have a date of 8-27-45 for Walter Returns to Washington.

Barbara


From: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io <main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io> on behalf of Larry Maupin <lmaupin@...>
Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 4:49 AM
To: 'main@oldtimeradioresearchers.groups.io' <main@oldtimeradioresearchers.groups.io>
Subject: [OldTimeRadioResearchers] Final List of Titles and Dates of Evelyn Winters Distro
 
Some members have asked me to provide an updated list now that all 14 episodes have been sent out and the distro is officially closed.  I will do so now, but please be advised that the list will be in chronological order, not in the order in which I sent out the episodes.  This should be exciting news because if you are in any doubt as to which episode goes with each title you will actually need to listen to the episodes, which I assume was your intention when you signed up for the distro in the first place.  

Here is the list.  I will not revise it again, but it may be editable by those who wish to make corrections:

1. "Ginny's Audition" (2/28/45). Source: File submitted by Barbara Watkins.
2. "Lunch in the Skytop Room" (10/3/45). Source: Barbara Watkins.
3. "The Theater Crowd" (10/29/45). Source: Date is on CD label.  My title.
4. "Maggie's Night Off" (3/12/46).  Source: File submitted by Ryan Ellett
5. "A Fateful Evening" (3/26/46). Source: Date on CD label.  My title.
6. "Collier" (4/26/46).  Date and title on CD label.
7. "Jenny's Part in New Comedy" (10/15/46). Source: Date and title on CD label.
8. "Pierce Leaves For London" (1/20/47). Source: Date and title on CD label.
9. "The Upper Crust (1/27/47). Source of date: CD Label.  My title.
10. "Pierce and Jenny Dine at The New Tahiti" (6/11/47). Source: File submitted by Matthew Nunes.  My title.
11. "Evelyn Returns From New Haven" (6/13/47). Source: File Submitted by Matthew Nunes.  My title.
12. "Returning Late (4/21/48). Source: Matthew Nunes.  Date and title are in the file.
13. "Valerie Winters" (7/7/48). Source: Barbara Watkins. Date and title are in the file.
14, Walter Returns To Washington (Undate). Title on CD label.



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Larry Maupin

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Larry Maupin


Re: Final List of Titles and Dates of Evelyn Winters Distro

B. J. Watkins
 

I have a few issues with the list but for now I'll just say that previously you've dated Jenny's Part in New Comedy as 10-15-45 and now it's listed as 10-15-46.  And I have a date of 8-27-45 for Walter Returns to Washington.

Barbara


From: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io <main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io> on behalf of Larry Maupin <lmaupin@...>
Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 4:49 AM
To: 'main@oldtimeradioresearchers.groups.io' <main@oldtimeradioresearchers.groups.io>
Subject: [OldTimeRadioResearchers] Final List of Titles and Dates of Evelyn Winters Distro
 
Some members have asked me to provide an updated list now that all 14 episodes have been sent out and the distro is officially closed.  I will do so now, but please be advised that the list will be in chronological order, not in the order in which I sent out the episodes.  This should be exciting news because if you are in any doubt as to which episode goes with each title you will actually need to listen to the episodes, which I assume was your intention when you signed up for the distro in the first place.  

Here is the list.  I will not revise it again, but it may be editable by those who wish to make corrections:

1. "Ginny's Audition" (2/28/45). Source: File submitted by Barbara Watkins.
2. "Lunch in the Skytop Room" (10/3/45). Source: Barbara Watkins.
3. "The Theater Crowd" (10/29/45). Source: Date is on CD label.  My title.
4. "Maggie's Night Off" (3/12/46).  Source: File submitted by Ryan Ellett
5. "A Fateful Evening" (3/26/46). Source: Date on CD label.  My title.
6. "Collier" (4/26/46).  Date and title on CD label.
7. "Jenny's Part in New Comedy" (10/15/46). Source: Date and title on CD label.
8. "Pierce Leaves For London" (1/20/47). Source: Date and title on CD label.
9. "The Upper Crust (1/27/47). Source of date: CD Label.  My title.
10. "Pierce and Jenny Dine at The New Tahiti" (6/11/47). Source: File submitted by Matthew Nunes.  My title.
11. "Evelyn Returns From New Haven" (6/13/47). Source: File Submitted by Matthew Nunes.  My title.
12. "Returning Late (4/21/48). Source: Matthew Nunes.  Date and title are in the file.
13. "Valerie Winters" (7/7/48). Source: Barbara Watkins. Date and title are in the file.
14, Walter Returns To Washington (Undate). Title on CD label.



--
Larry Maupin


Final Post on Evelyn Winters Distro

Larry Maupin
 

There are just two items to cover.  First, Larry Gassman kindly sent me two corrections during the course of my releasing the distro.  In one of them he noted that I had used the same title for two different episodes.  I corrected that, and appreciate his alertness in spotting the error.  The other was a date correction, but I was not able to make that because I did not see anything on the list of dates and titles that was different from the date he submitted.

The second item is that with this message I am sending a link to a file Rick Davenport has put together that has a wealth of information about the series, including a description of its theme, a list of actors and actresses who played important roles over the years, and some dates and titles.

Thanks to everyone who has participated in tis distro and for your energy, enthusiasm and involvement in the project.  I have three more lined up to send before the end of winter.

Larry

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Larry Maupin


Re: Hollywood on the Air

Larry Gassman
 

Ryan,

I do have some of these shows and would be interested in taking a listen.

Larry

 

 

From: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io <main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ryan Ellett via groups.io
Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 7:09 PM
To: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io
Subject: [OldTimeRadioResearchers] Hollywood on the Air

 

If anyone fancies themself a fan of the series Hollywood on the Air, I have four hours of content for you to review. It is taken from a 1200' reel with one hour per track per side. As much as I can match performers and songs with the show summaries on Goldin's site, it appears to be a mishmash of selections from various shows, rather than complete episodes. But I'm not 100% sure and would be thrilled if someone wanted to make their way through them and really try to tease out what is included on this reel.
Ryan


Hollywood on the Air

Ryan Ellett
 

If anyone fancies themself a fan of the series Hollywood on the Air, I have four hours of content for you to review. It is taken from a 1200' reel with one hour per track per side. As much as I can match performers and songs with the show summaries on Goldin's site, it appears to be a mishmash of selections from various shows, rather than complete episodes. But I'm not 100% sure and would be thrilled if someone wanted to make their way through them and really try to tease out what is included on this reel.
Ryan


Re: Theater Five project making major progress

Joe Webb
 

I did some comparisons with that site, and it underscores that this new compilation will be big steps ahead of what's commonly around.


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Re: Theater Five project making major progress

John
 

This is great news -- I'm a huge fan of Theater Five!


Hehn Links on Webpage

Ryan Ellett
 

Paul Kornman has added a simple page to our OTRR website with direct links to all the series in the Hehn collection on Archive.org. Here is a link to that page to bookmark and check for updates periodically.

Ryan


Re: Theater Five project making major progress

Larry Gassman
 

They are very good, far getter for the most part than what was previously released.

Larry

 

 

From: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io <main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Davenport
Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 2:26 PM
To: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io
Subject: Re: [OldTimeRadioResearchers] Theater Five project making major progress

 

Anyone check this site out to see if the copies are any good?

 

Rick

 

 

Labor ipse voluptas

 

 

On Monday, December 6, 2021, 02:43:32 PM CST, Joe Webb via groups.io <drjoewebb@...> wrote:

 

 

First question -- is it Theater Five or is it Theatre Five, Theater 5, or Theatre 5!?? The answer is.... YES!

It turns out that all four of those names were correct at one time or another as far as ABC Radio, their publicity gurus, and the newspapers and trade magazines were concerned. (It's seriously poor brand management, but that marketing concept was relatively new back in the early 1960s). If ABC couldn't enforce any brand rules internally, collectors can't really haggle over which is right. We've just been using "T5" this way no one has to get all OCD about it. :)
Whatever name is used, it's an underappreciated radio drama venture that ABC attempted in 1964 and 1965, and it deserves more attention.

The program has not received much affection from fans of classic radio, and for two basic reasons.

First, most recordings of the 256 surviving episodes of the 260 broadcasts have been in poor sound, making them less enjoyable than other recordings. Most of the recordings we have were recorded off the air... and subject to all kinds of issues. Audio quality is very important in appreciating radio programs. The OTRR certified set from 15 years ago has never been updated -- and what will be coming a few months from now is a massive upgrade of the series.

Second, the history behind the development and strategy behind the series has been unknown to most radio fans. The most common dismissal of the series has been "ABC couldn't even get their own New York station to run it." It's not that simple... Theater Five may have had a one-year run that ended in Summer of 1965, but its syndication life ran until early 1969! It's a fascinating story... a story worth telling.

It turns out that many collectors were recording the series when it was broadcast and when it was in syndication. We have found many upgrades in some of the reel collections that OTRR has acquired from some of radio's earliest and most noted collectors of the 1960s and early 1970s. These copies are close to the original source airchecks and do not have the problems of buildup of tape hiss and hum that occurs with making copies of copies of copies, etc. over the years. Many of the Theater Five recordings that were digitized in the late 1990s and early 2000s were from these kinds of sources. These newly acquired reel collections bypass those issues. There are also copies of network feeds to the ABC affiliates that have been found over the years. And for those that are still challenging to upgrade, there are many audio processing products that address these problems and can improve deficient recordings.

There are some episodes that are just plain difficult to find in anything but bad sound. If you have a non-OTRR certified set source, can you help us with these particular episodes?

As far as "bad" sounding or chopped up episodes, there are four missing episodes and even if recordings seem like they've been through a shredder and run over by a runaway forklift, ANY copies are welcome
219    1965-06-03    And Dream No More
223    1965-06-09    The Big Lonely
225    1965-06-11    The Bottom of the Bottle
234    1965-06-24    A Cup of Snow for Lt. Vogel (this script was first used on Suspense as "Lt Langer's Last Collection")

There are 6 episodes that are in very bad sound that need replacement, and even getting them in below average sound might be an improvement
640915 032 My Brother's Keeper
641111 073 The Gift
641112 074 A Brand New Life
641127 085 The Lesson
650115 120 The Trophy
650628 236 Custody of the Mother

These are the 6 episodes with clipped ending credits and we are missing cast and/or director attribution because of it
18    1964-08-26    The Late Matthew Dillard
32    1964-09-15    My Brother's Keeper
56    1964-10-19    An Honorable Way to Die
102    1964-12-22    Finders Keepers
121    1965-01-18    The Wheel
207    1965-05-18    Will Integrity Ruin Clint Marble?

FLACs or WAVs are preferred, but it's at the point we can't be choosy if the recording is in better sound or more complete. If you want to send any of the above files, use a service like wetransfer.com or some other cloud service.

At this point of the project, there are at least 75 programs of the 256 surviving that could use a boost, but there are collections we are in process of reviewing for those. So far we're on the road to improving those. But if any of them prove to be stubborn, we'll make a post about it.

 

To spread the word about the series and its history, here's the first draft entry of a Theater Five blog. This is just an early post or two to get the blog set up and in a couple of months it should be in full swing... I hope you enjoy it!


Attached is a post of the T5 log as it currently stands. Don't spread it around because it's changing most every day, and we still have much work to be done. It will go out of date very quickly. It's just a chance to see the work that's been done so far.

THANKS VERY MUCH!!

JWW

--


Re: Theater Five project making major progress

Richard Davenport
 

Anyone check this site out to see if the copies are any good?

Rick


Labor ipse voluptas


On Monday, December 6, 2021, 02:43:32 PM CST, Joe Webb via groups.io <drjoewebb@...> wrote:


First question -- is it Theater Five or is it Theatre Five, Theater 5, or Theatre 5!?? The answer is.... YES!

It turns out that all four of those names were correct at one time or another as far as ABC Radio, their publicity gurus, and the newspapers and trade magazines were concerned. (It's seriously poor brand management, but that marketing concept was relatively new back in the early 1960s). If ABC couldn't enforce any brand rules internally, collectors can't really haggle over which is right. We've just been using "T5" this way no one has to get all OCD about it. :)
Whatever name is used, it's an underappreciated radio drama venture that ABC attempted in 1964 and 1965, and it deserves more attention.

The program has not received much affection from fans of classic radio, and for two basic reasons.

First, most recordings of the 256 surviving episodes of the 260 broadcasts have been in poor sound, making them less enjoyable than other recordings. Most of the recordings we have were recorded off the air... and subject to all kinds of issues. Audio quality is very important in appreciating radio programs. The OTRR certified set from 15 years ago has never been updated -- and what will be coming a few months from now is a massive upgrade of the series.

Second, the history behind the development and strategy behind the series has been unknown to most radio fans. The most common dismissal of the series has been "ABC couldn't even get their own New York station to run it." It's not that simple... Theater Five may have had a one-year run that ended in Summer of 1965, but its syndication life ran until early 1969! It's a fascinating story... a story worth telling.

It turns out that many collectors were recording the series when it was broadcast and when it was in syndication. We have found many upgrades in some of the reel collections that OTRR has acquired from some of radio's earliest and most noted collectors of the 1960s and early 1970s. These copies are close to the original source airchecks and do not have the problems of buildup of tape hiss and hum that occurs with making copies of copies of copies, etc. over the years. Many of the Theater Five recordings that were digitized in the late 1990s and early 2000s were from these kinds of sources. These newly acquired reel collections bypass those issues. There are also copies of network feeds to the ABC affiliates that have been found over the years. And for those that are still challenging to upgrade, there are many audio processing products that address these problems and can improve deficient recordings.

There are some episodes that are just plain difficult to find in anything but bad sound. If you have a non-OTRR certified set source, can you help us with these particular episodes?

As far as "bad" sounding or chopped up episodes, there are four missing episodes and even if recordings seem like they've been through a shredder and run over by a runaway forklift, ANY copies are welcome
219    1965-06-03    And Dream No More
223    1965-06-09    The Big Lonely
225    1965-06-11    The Bottom of the Bottle
234    1965-06-24    A Cup of Snow for Lt. Vogel (this script was first used on Suspense as "Lt Langer's Last Collection")

There are 6 episodes that are in very bad sound that need replacement, and even getting them in below average sound might be an improvement
640915 032 My Brother's Keeper
641111 073 The Gift
641112 074 A Brand New Life
641127 085 The Lesson
650115 120 The Trophy
650628 236 Custody of the Mother

These are the 6 episodes with clipped ending credits and we are missing cast and/or director attribution because of it
18    1964-08-26    The Late Matthew Dillard
32    1964-09-15    My Brother's Keeper
56    1964-10-19    An Honorable Way to Die
102    1964-12-22    Finders Keepers
121    1965-01-18    The Wheel
207    1965-05-18    Will Integrity Ruin Clint Marble?

FLACs or WAVs are preferred, but it's at the point we can't be choosy if the recording is in better sound or more complete. If you want to send any of the above files, use a service like wetransfer.com or some other cloud service.

At this point of the project, there are at least 75 programs of the 256 surviving that could use a boost, but there are collections we are in process of reviewing for those. So far we're on the road to improving those. But if any of them prove to be stubborn, we'll make a post about it.
 
To spread the word about the series and its history, here's the first draft entry of a Theater Five blog. This is just an early post or two to get the blog set up and in a couple of months it should be in full swing... I hope you enjoy it!

Attached is a post of the T5 log as it currently stands. Don't spread it around because it's changing most every day, and we still have much work to be done. It will go out of date very quickly. It's just a chance to see the work that's been done so far.

THANKS VERY MUCH!!

JWW

--


Theater Five project making major progress

Joe Webb
 

First question -- is it Theater Five or is it Theatre Five, Theater 5, or Theatre 5!?? The answer is.... YES!

It turns out that all four of those names were correct at one time or another as far as ABC Radio, their publicity gurus, and the newspapers and trade magazines were concerned. (It's seriously poor brand management, but that marketing concept was relatively new back in the early 1960s). If ABC couldn't enforce any brand rules internally, collectors can't really haggle over which is right. We've just been using "T5" this way no one has to get all OCD about it. :)
Whatever name is used, it's an underappreciated radio drama venture that ABC attempted in 1964 and 1965, and it deserves more attention.

The program has not received much affection from fans of classic radio, and for two basic reasons.

First, most recordings of the 256 surviving episodes of the 260 broadcasts have been in poor sound, making them less enjoyable than other recordings. Most of the recordings we have were recorded off the air... and subject to all kinds of issues. Audio quality is very important in appreciating radio programs. The OTRR certified set from 15 years ago has never been updated -- and what will be coming a few months from now is a massive upgrade of the series.

Second, the history behind the development and strategy behind the series has been unknown to most radio fans. The most common dismissal of the series has been "ABC couldn't even get their own New York station to run it." It's not that simple... Theater Five may have had a one-year run that ended in Summer of 1965, but its syndication life ran until early 1969! It's a fascinating story... a story worth telling.

It turns out that many collectors were recording the series when it was broadcast and when it was in syndication. We have found many upgrades in some of the reel collections that OTRR has acquired from some of radio's earliest and most noted collectors of the 1960s and early 1970s. These copies are close to the original source airchecks and do not have the problems of buildup of tape hiss and hum that occurs with making copies of copies of copies, etc. over the years. Many of the Theater Five recordings that were digitized in the late 1990s and early 2000s were from these kinds of sources. These newly acquired reel collections bypass those issues. There are also copies of network feeds to the ABC affiliates that have been found over the years. And for those that are still challenging to upgrade, there are many audio processing products that address these problems and can improve deficient recordings.

There are some episodes that are just plain difficult to find in anything but bad sound. If you have a non-OTRR certified set source, can you help us with these particular episodes?

As far as "bad" sounding or chopped up episodes, there are four missing episodes and even if recordings seem like they've been through a shredder and run over by a runaway forklift, ANY copies are welcome
219    1965-06-03    And Dream No More
223    1965-06-09    The Big Lonely
225    1965-06-11    The Bottom of the Bottle
234    1965-06-24    A Cup of Snow for Lt. Vogel (this script was first used on Suspense as "Lt Langer's Last Collection")

There are 6 episodes that are in very bad sound that need replacement, and even getting them in below average sound might be an improvement
640915 032 My Brother's Keeper
641111 073 The Gift
641112 074 A Brand New Life
641127 085 The Lesson
650115 120 The Trophy
650628 236 Custody of the Mother

These are the 6 episodes with clipped ending credits and we are missing cast and/or director attribution because of it
18    1964-08-26    The Late Matthew Dillard
32    1964-09-15    My Brother's Keeper
56    1964-10-19    An Honorable Way to Die
102    1964-12-22    Finders Keepers
121    1965-01-18    The Wheel
207    1965-05-18    Will Integrity Ruin Clint Marble?

FLACs or WAVs are preferred, but it's at the point we can't be choosy if the recording is in better sound or more complete. If you want to send any of the above files, use a service like wetransfer.com or some other cloud service.

At this point of the project, there are at least 75 programs of the 256 surviving that could use a boost, but there are collections we are in process of reviewing for those. So far we're on the road to improving those. But if any of them prove to be stubborn, we'll make a post about it.
 
To spread the word about the series and its history, here's the first draft entry of a Theater Five blog. This is just an early post or two to get the blog set up and in a couple of months it should be in full swing... I hope you enjoy it!

Attached is a post of the T5 log as it currently stands. Don't spread it around because it's changing most every day, and we still have much work to be done. It will go out of date very quickly. It's just a chance to see the work that's been done so far.

THANKS VERY MUCH!!

JWW

--


Re: Lives of Harry Lime

Ian Grieve
 

G'day Bob, there is an experienced OTR Researcher tracking down the Harry Towers series origins, cast etc.  Its not my story to tell.  But hopefully the Towers mysteries will get solved in the near future.

Ian



------ Original Message ------
From: "Bob Stepno" <Rstepno@...>
Sent: 7/12/2021 6:09:46 AM
Subject: Re: [OldTimeRadioResearchers] Lives of Harry Lime

"The Lives of Harry Lime" had a verbose intro... "Presenting Orson Welles as the Third Man..." speech and dramatic "That was the gunshot that killed Harry Lime" explaining the "prequels" connection to the movie, followed by spoken plot-summary intros and "punchline" exits by Welles-as-Harry.

The Third Man Theme's original Zither player Anton Karas got credit in the program introduction, and there were opening, 12-minute, and ending interludes of him playing, and even more zither punctuating filler and background use of his music. The 50 programs I have in my iTunes player (probably an archive-org collection from 2012) range from 26:51 to 29:30 each ... But even the shortest. "Pleasure Before Business," has a full two minutes of zither at beginning and another two minutes at the end, *after* a zither break for an ad and Welles' closing comments. 

The longest one, "Clay Pigeon," has a long zither addendum after its closing message from Orson-as-Harry.... as if they played the closing-zither tape three or four times! No dead air at all.  

I wonder if there were written announcer-cut-in instructions to users of the show!? 

By the way, given my usual fixation on newspaper characters in radio plots, my interest in Harry Lime was really the later series "Europe Confidential," which recycled Harry Lime scripts, writing hustling Harry out of the story and inserting an American journalist character.  After tracking down Jim McCuaig and helping figure out the origin-story, I wrote about a few episodes in 2013. I never finished a planned master essay about the series, after I found out it wasn't a U.S. production *and* retired from my university position, removing the "publish or perish" pressure ...  :-) 

https://jheroes.com/?s=Europe+Confidential

Cheers,

Bob


Re: Lives of Harry Lime

Bob Stepno
 

"The Lives of Harry Lime" had a verbose intro... "Presenting Orson Welles as the Third Man..." speech and dramatic "That was the gunshot that killed Harry Lime" explaining the "prequels" connection to the movie, followed by spoken plot-summary intros and "punchline" exits by Welles-as-Harry.

The Third Man Theme's original Zither player Anton Karas got credit in the program introduction, and there were opening, 12-minute, and ending interludes of him playing, and even more zither punctuating filler and background use of his music. The 50 programs I have in my iTunes player (probably an archive-org collection from 2012) range from 26:51 to 29:30 each ... But even the shortest. "Pleasure Before Business," has a full two minutes of zither at beginning and another two minutes at the end, *after* a zither break for an ad and Welles' closing comments. 

The longest one, "Clay Pigeon," has a long zither addendum after its closing message from Orson-as-Harry.... as if they played the closing-zither tape three or four times! No dead air at all.  

I wonder if there were written announcer-cut-in instructions to users of the show!? 

By the way, given my usual fixation on newspaper characters in radio plots, my interest in Harry Lime was really the later series "Europe Confidential," which recycled Harry Lime scripts, writing hustling Harry out of the story and inserting an American journalist character.  After tracking down Jim McCuaig and helping figure out the origin-story, I wrote about a few episodes in 2013. I never finished a planned master essay about the series, after I found out it wasn't a U.S. production *and* retired from my university position, removing the "publish or perish" pressure ...  :-) 

https://jheroes.com/?s=Europe+Confidential

Cheers,

Bob


Final List of Titles and Dates of Evelyn Winters Distro

Larry Maupin
 

Some members have asked me to provide an updated list now that all 14 episodes have been sent out and the distro is officially closed.  I will do so now, but please be advised that the list will be in chronological order, not in the order in which I sent out the episodes.  This should be exciting news because if you are in any doubt as to which episode goes with each title you will actually need to listen to the episodes, which I assume was your intention when you signed up for the distro in the first place.  

Here is the list.  I will not revise it again, but it may be editable by those who wish to make corrections:

1. "Ginny's Audition" (2/28/45). Source: File submitted by Barbara Watkins.
2. "Lunch in the Skytop Room" (10/3/45). Source: Barbara Watkins.
3. "The Theater Crowd" (10/29/45). Source: Date is on CD label.  My title.
4. "Maggie's Night Off" (3/12/46).  Source: File submitted by Ryan Ellett
5. "A Fateful Evening" (3/26/46). Source: Date on CD label.  My title.
6. "Collier" (4/26/46).  Date and title on CD label.
7. "Jenny's Part in New Comedy" (10/15/46). Source: Date and title on CD label.
8. "Pierce Leaves For London" (1/20/47). Source: Date and title on CD label.
9. "The Upper Crust (1/27/47). Source of date: CD Label.  My title.
10. "Pierce and Jenny Dine at The New Tahiti" (6/11/47). Source: File submitted by Matthew Nunes.  My title.
11. "Evelyn Returns From New Haven" (6/13/47). Source: File Submitted by Matthew Nunes.  My title.
12. "Returning Late (4/21/48). Source: Matthew Nunes.  Date and title are in the file.
13. "Valerie Winters" (7/7/48). Source: Barbara Watkins. Date and title are in the file.
14, Walter Returns To Washington (Undate). Title on CD label.



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Larry Maupin


Re: Evelyn Winters Distro

Richard Davenport
 

Based on some of the info that Larry has posted and the files he forwarded links to here is where I stand with the Evelyn Winters files.

Rick

Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0000 - 00-00-00 - Walter Returns From Washington .txt
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0073 - 45-02-28 - Jenny Wants To Act.mp3
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0073 - 45-02-28 - Ted & Evelyn go to the Theatre to Stop Ginny’s Audition.mp3
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0201 - 45-08-27 - Charlie Gleason Wants Evelyn to Leave Gary Bennett Alone.aiff
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0201 - 45-08-27 - Charlie Gleason Wants Evelyn to Leave Gary Bennett Alone.mp3
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0236 - 45-10-15 - Ginny Upset that Evelyn is to Marry Walter Barnes. VSP Offer.aiff
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0236 - 45-10-15 - Ginny Upset that Evelyn is to Marry Walter Barnes. VSP Offer.mp3
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0342 - 46-03-12 - Evelyn In Love With Gary, But Is Too Much Older.mp3
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0352 - 46-03-26 - Evelyn, Jonathan Dine at the Candlelight Inn; He’s Going Away.txt
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0375 - 46-04-26 - Collier Jerome Runs into Evelyn, Invites Himself In.aiff
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0375 - 46-04-26 - Collier Jerome Runs into Evelyn, Invites Himself In.mp3
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0507 - 46-10-29 - Evelyn Hears News Bulletin; Philip McKay Thrown From A Horse.aiff
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0507 - 46-10-29 - Evelyn Hears News Bulletin; Philip McKay Thrown From A Horse.mp3
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0566 - 47-01-20 - Pierce Field Returning to London.  Aunt Maggie Forgets Message.aiff
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0566 - 47-01-20 - Pierce Field Returning to London.  Aunt Maggie Forgets Message.mp3
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0571 - 47-01-27 - Evelyn Begins New Job Madam Beaujour’s Dress Shop.aiff
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0571 - 47-01-27 - Evelyn Begins New Job Madam Beaujour’s Dress Shop.mp3
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0630 - 47-06-13 - Evelyn Returns From New Haven.mp3
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0668 - 47-06-11 - Pierce And Jerry Dine At The New Tahiti.txt
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0893 - 48-04-21 - Returning Late .txt
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0948 - 48-07- 07 - Valerie Winters Climbs Stairs Imposter.flac



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On Saturday, December 4, 2021, 06:10:17 PM CST, Larry Maupin <lmaupin@...> wrote:


Thank you Rick.  I will check my dates against yours before tomorrow to see if I need to make any changes to the list.  I still don't have a date for the episode "Walter Returns From Washington," but none of your descriptions match that episode.

Thank you for all your contributions to this project.

Larry

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From: "Richard Davenport"
To: "main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io"
Cc:
Sent: Saturday December 4 2021 5:41:00PM
Subject: Re: [OldTimeRadioResearchers] Evelyn Winters Distro

Larry, I was able to place most of the .aiff files that you sent me based on what was stated in the opening sequences.

Here is the result.  Again, I make no guarantees as to the complete accuracy but based on what I learned for the frequency and sequence it was my reasonable guess.

Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0073 - 45-02-28 - Ted & Evelyn go to the Theatre to Stop Ginny’s Audition.mp3
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0201 - 45-08-27 - Charlie Gleason Wants Evelyn to Leave Gary Bennett Alone.aiff
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0201 - 45-08-27 - Charlie Gleason Wants Evelyn to Leave Gary Bennett Alone.mp3
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0236 - 45-10-15 - Ginny Upset that Evelyn is to Marry Walter Barnes. VSP Offer.aiff
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0236 - 45-10-15 - Ginny Upset that Evelyn is to Marry Walter Barnes. VSP Offer.mp3
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0342 - 46-03-12 - Evelyn In Love With Gary, But Is Too Much Older.mp3
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0352 - 46-03-26 - Evelyn, Jonathan Dine at the Candlelight Inn; He’s Going Away.txt
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0375 - 46-04-26 - Collier Jerome Runs into Evelyn, Invites Himself In.aiff
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0375 - 46-04-26 - Collier Jerome Runs into Evelyn, Invites Himself In.mp3
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0507 - 46-10-29 - Evelyn Hears News Bulletin; Philip McKay Thrown From A Horse.aiff
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0507 - 46-10-29 - Evelyn Hears News Bulletin; Philip McKay Thrown From A Horse.mp3
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0566 - 47-01-20 - Pierce Field Returning to London.  Aunt Maggie Forgets Message.aiff
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0566 - 47-01-20 - Pierce Field Returning to London.  Aunt Maggie Forgets Message.mp3
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0571 - 47-01-27 - Evelyn Begins New Job Madam Beaujour’s Dress Shop.aiff
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0571 - 47-01-27 - Evelyn Begins New Job Madam Beaujour’s Dress Shop.mp3
Strange Romance Of Evelyn Winters - 0630- 47-06-13 - .mp3

Rick

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On Saturday, December 4, 2021, 09:14:33 AM CST, Larry Maupin <lmaupin@...> wrote:


This distro has now grown from its original 7 episodes to at least 9, and possibly 11.  Today I will post the beginning of the final list of episodes with the goal of aligning the episode titles, dates and summaries for each with the order in which they have been and will be sent out.  The first four episodes are all in the same folder, and I have released them in the order in which they appear in the folder:

1. "The Upper Crust" (1/27/47).  This episode derives its title from the fact that Evelyn begins her new job at Madame Beaujour's swanky dress shop.  After that she meets with millionaire playboy Robbie DeHaven, who persuades her to accompany him on a visit to her new employer's luxurious New York apartment.

2. "The Theater Crowd" (3/26/47).  This is so titled because it takes place mostly in theater settings.  Gary Bennett is trying to help an aspiring playwrite from Minnesota get a start as a scriptwriter.  He gives her advice and encouragement, offers to read some of her scripts, and invites her to attend a rehearsal the following day.

3. "Pierce Intends To Leave For London" (1/20/47).  This one is easy because in the first minute we find Pierce at the airport waiting to be boarded on a nearby plane for a flight to London.  Later we learn that an untimely accident delays his trip.

4. "A Disturbing News Bulletin" (10/29/46).  While Gary and Pierce are conversing in the living room of Evelyn's Beekman Place apartment, she hears an announcement on the radio stating that Philip McKay has been thrown from his horse at the Meadow Crop Club and critically injured.  Gary asks Pierce to take over Philip's role in a current production because no understudy has been prepared to assume it.

5. "Collier" (8/26/46).  This episode takes place after Evelyn has escaped from Brit Appleton's penthouse by fleeing through Collier Jerome's adjacent apartment.  Today Collier pays a visit to see Gary and is at first friendly to Evelyn, only accusing her humorously of not being properly grateful for his assistance in her escape.  Gary comes home and asks Evelyn about the extent of her relationship with Collier.  She implies that they have just met.  After Gary leaves, Collier first tells Evelyn he admires her skill at deception, then calls her "a double-talking little liar" for not telling Gary about Brit's assault on her.  This is the only episode in the second folder.

6. "Ginny's Part in New Comedy" (10/15/45).  Ginny has landed a role in a Broadway play, but comes to Evelyn in tears because she has just taken a screen test that went poorly.  Evelyn consoles her.  This is the only episode in the third folder on my computer.

7. Walter Returns From Washington (Undated).  The last time Walter Barnes saw Evelyn was one evening at the Cafe d'Amour, after which he took a business trip to Washington, D.C. to give her time to consider his proposal of marriage.  Today he unexpectedly arrives on her doorstep.  This is the only episode in the fourth folder on my computer.

8. "Maggie's Night Off" (3/12/46).  This sounds as if it is the first episode in the story line.  It definitely precedes episode number 5, and the two are closely related.  Evelyn has just fled Brit Appleton's penthouse because he has frightened her, and she lets herself in to Collier Jerome's adjacent apartment.  The two of them have never met before.  He is very courteous to her, and says he will let her use his private elevator to get down to the ground floor.  His assistant Miss Parker telephones the police, then learns that Evelyn has already left.  This episode is from Ryan Ellet's personal collection.



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Larry Maupin


Re: Lives of Harry Lime

Randy Watts
 

Ryan,

The "Harry Lime" shows you're dubbing may be latter-day Charles Michelson syndication cuts. "Harry Lime" was one of the shows he handled. Some of his stuff was cut rather severely to allow for local station commercial time AND a 5-minute news break.

Randy

On Sunday, December 5, 2021, 11:15:25 AM CST, Ryan Ellett via groups.io <oldradiotimes@...> wrote:


I'm dubbing some episodes of The Lives of Harry Lime from a reel purchased by the group and finding the episodes to be about 20 minutes. I'm not very familiar with the program but that seems a very odd length. An AFRS show should be around 25 minutes and a network broadcast about 30 minutes. What might be cut from these? I've not had a chance to compare these recordings to others that might be a more normal length.
Ryan


A 13th Episode Of The Strange Romance of Evelyn Winters

Larry Maupin
 

Hello again.  Barbara Watkins has just sent me another episode, bringing the total to 13.  This is interesting because Jerry Haendiges has a list of 14 episodes on his website, and I learned from him that only 13 are available because one of them is still on a phonograph record and he has not yet transferred it.  So now thanks to Ryan, Matthew and Barbara what began as a set of 7 has almost doubled, and we may dare to believe that we actually do have all surviving episodes except the one more that Jerry has.  We can also be sure that this set is not at this time available anywhere else in the world free of charge.  

After completing this summary I will send a link to the episode to everyone on the list of recipients:

13. "Valerie Winters" (7/7/48).  Valerie and her mother Biddie Bridewell are perpetrating a hoax on Evelyn. They have made her think that Valerie is her stepmother and has a claim on the inheritance Evelyn received from her father after he supposedly died in a war some years ago.
 

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Re: Lives of Harry Lime

Ian Grieve
 

Someone didn't like Zither music?

Ian

------ Original Message ------
From: "Ryan Ellett via groups.io" <oldradiotimes@...>
Sent: 6/12/2021 3:15:23 AM
Subject: [OldTimeRadioResearchers] Lives of Harry Lime

I'm dubbing some episodes of The Lives of Harry Lime from a reel purchased by the group and finding the episodes to be about 20 minutes. I'm not very familiar with the program but that seems a very odd length. An AFRS show should be around 25 minutes and a network broadcast about 30 minutes. What might be cut from these? I've not had a chance to compare these recordings to others that might be a more normal length.
Ryan

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