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Re: The New Jack Carson Show -- need help getting a date for it

Walden Hughes
 

Hi Joe,

 

I know in 1948 they called the Bob Hope show the New Swan show.  Bob had a new cast in 1948 with Doris Day, Bill Farrell, Ireen      Ryan, and Jack Kirkwood.  Maybe that was a radio trend in 1948 if they did major cast changes they called it new.  Jack did go through   cast changes over the years.  Take care,

 

Walden

 

 

 

From: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io [mailto:main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Webb via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2022 10:35 AM
To: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io
Subject: Re: [OldTimeRadioResearchers] The New Jack Carson Show -- need help getting a date for it

 

Thanks for the richer context to your explanation.

Yes I know AFRS did this regularly, especially for the variety shows like Fred Allen -- Fred was too topical and AFRS did not want shows to sound dated since they could be played weeks or months later, so they tended to stick with music and skits. Allen ad-libbed with something in the news so often they had trouble coming up with a full-length program, so they created these composite programs

There are clear remnants of AFRS but the ending is suspicious
Early collectors did not like AFRS recordings because they were "inauthentic" and they would cut out AFRS announcements and also the AFRS signoffs
At the end, there is an announcer saying "The Jack Carson Show" and then it fades
It could be that was the beginning of an AFRS closing ID that was removed.

I did some Variety searches and "The New Jack Carson Show" was sponsored by General Foods. There's no such indication of that in this recording.

So your hunch that this is an AFRS composite recording makes sense. Now we have to wonder what the original source recordings are, and if any of them actually came from "The New" series beyond the show opening.

THANKS very much!


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Re: The New Jack Carson Show -- need help getting a date for it

Joe Webb
 

Thanks for the richer context to your explanation.

Yes I know AFRS did this regularly, especially for the variety shows like Fred Allen -- Fred was too topical and AFRS did not want shows to sound dated since they could be played weeks or months later, so they tended to stick with music and skits. Allen ad-libbed with something in the news so often they had trouble coming up with a full-length program, so they created these composite programs

There are clear remnants of AFRS but the ending is suspicious
Early collectors did not like AFRS recordings because they were "inauthentic" and they would cut out AFRS announcements and also the AFRS signoffs
At the end, there is an announcer saying "The Jack Carson Show" and then it fades
It could be that was the beginning of an AFRS closing ID that was removed.

I did some Variety searches and "The New Jack Carson Show" was sponsored by General Foods. There's no such indication of that in this recording.

So your hunch that this is an AFRS composite recording makes sense. Now we have to wonder what the original source recordings are, and if any of them actually came from "The New" series beyond the show opening.

THANKS very much!


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Re: The New Jack Carson Show -- need help getting a date for it

Walden Hughes
 

Hi Joe,

 

I know AFRS did this a lot in 1948.  I have several Bob Hope shows where they took two different shows and made it in to one.  For example you can compared a network Bob Hope show from 1948 and match it up again the AFRS  with the same date and see how they did this.  I bet they did this with Jack Carson show in 1948.  Jack had different version of his shows over the years.  SPERDVAC had some in 1944.  This is during the time Shirley Mitchell played his girlfriend on the Christmas show for example.  Then when they move to Campbell  Soup Norma Jean Nillson  became  a feature player and she got bill board as 9 years old Norma Jean Nillson.  In the 1950s Sue Rainey who is a SPERDVAC honorary  member.  Tolde Larry Gassman and I she was the singer on the show.  It was a smaller cast during that time.  Take care,

 

Walden

 

   

 

From: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io [mailto:main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Webb via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2022 3:11 AM
To: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io
Subject: Re: [OldTimeRadioResearchers] The New Jack Carson Show -- need help getting a date for it

 

Walden:

Then where does the "New Jack Carson Show" opening come from?

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Re: Dropbox/OneDrive/pCloud - If Freedom Failed curated v. 2203 #new-distro #curated

Litsey, Alan
 

Hi Brian. Thank you! So appreciate your updates on the great distros. Best, Alan 


On Mar 5, 2022, at 7:57 AM, Brian Kavanaugh via groups.io <brian@...> wrote:

A new curated set for the series If Freedom Failed was announced in the distro group, https://oldtimeradioresearchers.groups.io/g/OTRRDistroGroup/.


Dropbox/OneDrive/pCloud - If Freedom Failed curated v. 2203 #new-distro #curated

Brian Kavanaugh
 

A new curated set for the series If Freedom Failed was announced in the distro group, https://oldtimeradioresearchers.groups.io/g/OTRRDistroGroup/.


Re: The New Jack Carson Show -- need help getting a date for it

Joe Webb
 

Walden:

Then where does the "New Jack Carson Show" opening come from?

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Re: The New Jack Carson Show -- need help getting a date for it

Walden Hughes
 

Hi Joe,

 

I played the show and I think we have two shows put together.  The first one up to Bing Crosby either 1944 or 1945.  They talked about Bing sponsor Kraft.  They featured Bing song from the movie Going My Way.  The end must be around 1948 when the movie the Champ came out.  Take care,

 

Walden

 

 

 

From: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io [mailto:main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Webb via groups.io
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 8:38 AM
To: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io
Subject: [OldTimeRadioResearchers] The New Jack Carson Show -- need help getting a date for it

 

Here's an interesting item, but we can't date it.

New Jack Carson Show (sometime Oct48-Jul49) GloriaDeHaven BingCrosby EdwArnold.mp3
https://we.tl/t-LO4vbpAS49

As best I can determine it is the only surviving recording of "The New Jack Carson Show" after he left Sealtest's sponsorship. The show began in October 1948 and ended after one July 1949 performance.

It's similar but it's not this (from RGI)...

Command Performance. February 01, 1945. Program #160. AFRS origination. Gloria De Haven sings, "The Man I Love." Jack Carson plans to show Gloria around Hollywood. Carmen Miranda sings, "Tico, Tico." The date above is the recording date. Ken Carpenter (announcer), Gloria De Haven (m. c.), Jack Carson, Edward Arnold, Carmen Miranda, Bing Crosby. 30:47. Audio Condition: Very good. Complete.

It's a re-used script, it seems, but not a re-used performance. The CP broadcast is at least 3.5 and possibly 4.5 years before this one.

There are no newspaper.com clips that relate to this line-up of guests. DeHaven and Carson were part of some fund-raising stage performances around this time, and those come up in the searches.

Perhaps someone who has something other than newspapers.com with a different selection of newspaper archives can find something?

In the meantime... enjoy the show!

JWW
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Re: The New Jack Carson Show -- need help getting a date for it

Joe Webb
 

Thanks very much for looking!
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Re: The New Jack Carson Show -- need help getting a date for it

Scott Mahan
 

I have newspaperarchive.com in addition to newspapers.com and, indeed, it does have a different, although overlapping, selection of newspaper archives.

However, I don’t find anything there either.

 

 

From: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io <main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joe Webb via groups.io
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:38 AM
To: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io
Subject: [OldTimeRadioResearchers] The New Jack Carson Show -- need help getting a date for it

 

Here's an interesting item, but we can't date it.

New Jack Carson Show (sometime Oct48-Jul49) GloriaDeHaven BingCrosby EdwArnold.mp3
https://we.tl/t-LO4vbpAS49

As best I can determine it is the only surviving recording of "The New Jack Carson Show" after he left Sealtest's sponsorship. The show began in October 1948 and ended after one July 1949 performance.

It's similar but it's not this (from RGI)...

Command Performance. February 01, 1945. Program #160. AFRS origination. Gloria De Haven sings, "The Man I Love." Jack Carson plans to show Gloria around Hollywood. Carmen Miranda sings, "Tico, Tico." The date above is the recording date. Ken Carpenter (announcer), Gloria De Haven (m. c.), Jack Carson, Edward Arnold, Carmen Miranda, Bing Crosby. 30:47. Audio Condition: Very good. Complete.

It's a re-used script, it seems, but not a re-used performance. The CP broadcast is at least 3.5 and possibly 4.5 years before this one.

There are no newspaper.com clips that relate to this line-up of guests. DeHaven and Carson were part of some fund-raising stage performances around this time, and those come up in the searches.

Perhaps someone who has something other than newspapers.com with a different selection of newspaper archives can find something?

In the meantime... enjoy the show!

JWW
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The New Jack Carson Show -- need help getting a date for it

Joe Webb
 

Here's an interesting item, but we can't date it.

New Jack Carson Show (sometime Oct48-Jul49) GloriaDeHaven BingCrosby EdwArnold.mp3
https://we.tl/t-LO4vbpAS49

As best I can determine it is the only surviving recording of "The New Jack Carson Show" after he left Sealtest's sponsorship. The show began in October 1948 and ended after one July 1949 performance.

It's similar but it's not this (from RGI)...
Command Performance. February 01, 1945. Program #160. AFRS origination. Gloria De Haven sings, "The Man I Love." Jack Carson plans to show Gloria around Hollywood. Carmen Miranda sings, "Tico, Tico." The date above is the recording date. Ken Carpenter (announcer), Gloria De Haven (m. c.), Jack Carson, Edward Arnold, Carmen Miranda, Bing Crosby. 30:47. Audio Condition: Very good. Complete.
It's a re-used script, it seems, but not a re-used performance. The CP broadcast is at least 3.5 and possibly 4.5 years before this one.

There are no newspaper.com clips that relate to this line-up of guests. DeHaven and Carson were part of some fund-raising stage performances around this time, and those come up in the searches.

Perhaps someone who has something other than newspapers.com with a different selection of newspaper archives can find something?

In the meantime... enjoy the show!

JWW
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Re: Headphones

John Nicholson
 

I have the Bose QuietComfort 35II Wireless in silver (seem better constructed than the black ones) and love the sound. The built-in microphone is really good with Dragon Naturally Speaking for dictation (basically no good with Office dictation, but I think that's a problem with Office). Can be wired if desired. Reviews say to pick the 35II over the 45II (the newer model) because of better built-in controls.
   John Nicholson

On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 4:36 PM StewGold via groups.io <stewcorse=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
I've Sennheiser HD680's which are amazing, and expensive, but I also use the Sennheiser HD6xx from Drop.com , which are half the price but damn near as good. ( and for , it's ok if I drop them in the sea OneAudio's Studio 1s are dirt cheap. just lacking that bass edge)

On Thursday, 3 March 2022, 19:48:46 GMT, Wild West Designs <evan@...> wrote:


Looking for a good pair of audiophile headphones.  Wanted to get a list to see what everyone here likes, which ones to stay away from etc.

Thanks,

Evan



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John


Re: Headphones

StewGold
 

I've Sennheiser HD680's which are amazing, and expensive, but I also use the Sennheiser HD6xx from Drop.com , which are half the price but damn near as good. ( and for , it's ok if I drop them in the sea OneAudio's Studio 1s are dirt cheap. just lacking that bass edge)

On Thursday, 3 March 2022, 19:48:46 GMT, Wild West Designs <evan@...> wrote:


Looking for a good pair of audiophile headphones.  Wanted to get a list to see what everyone here likes, which ones to stay away from etc.

Thanks,

Evan


Headphones

Wild West Designs
 

Looking for a good pair of audiophile headphones.  Wanted to get a list to see what everyone here likes, which ones to stay away from etc.

Thanks,

Evan


Re: A Salute to the Law (Nick Harris, Detective)

Ryan Ellett
 

Paul, that was the missing 1934-02-20 episode, thank you! Now we have all 13 known shows for this series.
Ryan

www.RyanEllett.com


The Old Time Radio Researchers
"Saving the Past for the Future"




On Saturday, February 26, 2022, 09:17:24 PM CST, p_motsuk <motsuk@...> wrote:


I've attached the MP3 I have that's labeled "Nick Harris Detective 340221 - The Avenging Angel Strikes Again."

- Paul


On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 9:39 PM Ryan Ellett via groups.io <oldradiotimes=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Sure, I can compare it to the others.
Ryan



The Old Time Radio Researchers
"Saving the Past for the Future"




On Saturday, February 26, 2022, 07:57:37 PM CST, p_motsuk <motsuk@...> wrote:


I have one labeled "Nick Harris Detective 340221 - The Avenging Angel Strikes Again."

Looks like it could be the 2/20/34 episode.

It's only 22kHz. The sound is okay considering.

Would you like me to send it to you?

- Paul



On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 8:17 PM Scott Mahan <scott@...> wrote:

That’s one more than I have. Look forward to getting it.

 

From: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io <main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ryan Ellett via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2022 6:46 PM
To: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io
Subject: [OldTimeRadioResearchers] A Salute to the Law (Nick Harris, Detective)

 

We are working on a small Maintained set for the series A Salute to the Law. In our library, in Hickerson's guide, and on Goldin's site it is called Nick Harris, Detective but if you listen to the shows it is clearly called A Salute to the Law. That is also the name identified in a handful of mentions in the trades. This show ran for an astonishing 19 years beginning in 1923 and left the air in 1942 because Nick Harris died.
We have the following shows:
1934-02-13
1938-07-01
1938-07-08
1938-07-15
1938-07-22
1938-11-06
1939-05-23
1939-05-30
1939-06-27
1939-07-04
1940-03-17
1940-04-07

Goldin suggests 1934-02-20 also exists. In fact, our copy of 1934-02-13 originally had that date but upon listening one can tell it is 1934-02-13.

Anyone have anything to had to this series?
Ryan


Re: Latest versions?

pygar two
 

On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 03:40 PM, Ryan Ellett wrote:
http://www.otrr.org/?c=library I went there and felt like I struck gold! All those Lum and Abners! Then I spotted their last show together- I had to listen to that! The audio was draggy;  guess the tape recorder batteries were running low. But it was still a thrill to hear those two old codgers again! Thanks!


Re: Latest versions?

Joe Webb
 

And don't forget a project that OTRR has funded
The Joe Hehn Memorial collection
https://archive.org/details/joe-hehn
There are no complete series there but you will find nice sounding programs transferred from discs and newly transferred from reel tapes from some of our hobby's pioneer collectors

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Re: Latest versions?

Paul Kornman
 

Also, from our website, you can see the list of all of our 'Researched' Series:

http://otrr.org/?c=certified

Those same files are accessible through the Library (as Ryan mentioned), but this list shows when those individual sets were last updated.

- Paul


Re: A Salute to the Law (Nick Harris, Detective)

p_motsuk
 

I've attached the MP3 I have that's labeled "Nick Harris Detective 340221 - The Avenging Angel Strikes Again."

- Paul


On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 9:39 PM Ryan Ellett via groups.io <oldradiotimes=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Sure, I can compare it to the others.
Ryan



The Old Time Radio Researchers
"Saving the Past for the Future"




On Saturday, February 26, 2022, 07:57:37 PM CST, p_motsuk <motsuk@...> wrote:


I have one labeled "Nick Harris Detective 340221 - The Avenging Angel Strikes Again."

Looks like it could be the 2/20/34 episode.

It's only 22kHz. The sound is okay considering.

Would you like me to send it to you?

- Paul



On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 8:17 PM Scott Mahan <scott@...> wrote:

That’s one more than I have. Look forward to getting it.

 

From: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io <main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ryan Ellett via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2022 6:46 PM
To: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io
Subject: [OldTimeRadioResearchers] A Salute to the Law (Nick Harris, Detective)

 

We are working on a small Maintained set for the series A Salute to the Law. In our library, in Hickerson's guide, and on Goldin's site it is called Nick Harris, Detective but if you listen to the shows it is clearly called A Salute to the Law. That is also the name identified in a handful of mentions in the trades. This show ran for an astonishing 19 years beginning in 1923 and left the air in 1942 because Nick Harris died.
We have the following shows:
1934-02-13
1938-07-01
1938-07-08
1938-07-15
1938-07-22
1938-11-06
1939-05-23
1939-05-30
1939-06-27
1939-07-04
1940-03-17
1940-04-07

Goldin suggests 1934-02-20 also exists. In fact, our copy of 1934-02-13 originally had that date but upon listening one can tell it is 1934-02-13.

Anyone have anything to had to this series?
Ryan


Re: A Salute to the Law (Nick Harris, Detective)

Ryan Ellett
 

Sure, I can compare it to the others.
Ryan

www.RyanEllett.com


The Old Time Radio Researchers
"Saving the Past for the Future"




On Saturday, February 26, 2022, 07:57:37 PM CST, p_motsuk <motsuk@...> wrote:


I have one labeled "Nick Harris Detective 340221 - The Avenging Angel Strikes Again."

Looks like it could be the 2/20/34 episode.

It's only 22kHz. The sound is okay considering.

Would you like me to send it to you?

- Paul



On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 8:17 PM Scott Mahan <scott@...> wrote:

That’s one more than I have. Look forward to getting it.

 

From: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io <main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ryan Ellett via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2022 6:46 PM
To: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io
Subject: [OldTimeRadioResearchers] A Salute to the Law (Nick Harris, Detective)

 

We are working on a small Maintained set for the series A Salute to the Law. In our library, in Hickerson's guide, and on Goldin's site it is called Nick Harris, Detective but if you listen to the shows it is clearly called A Salute to the Law. That is also the name identified in a handful of mentions in the trades. This show ran for an astonishing 19 years beginning in 1923 and left the air in 1942 because Nick Harris died.
We have the following shows:
1934-02-13
1938-07-01
1938-07-08
1938-07-15
1938-07-22
1938-11-06
1939-05-23
1939-05-30
1939-06-27
1939-07-04
1940-03-17
1940-04-07

Goldin suggests 1934-02-20 also exists. In fact, our copy of 1934-02-13 originally had that date but upon listening one can tell it is 1934-02-13.

Anyone have anything to had to this series?
Ryan


Re: A Salute to the Law (Nick Harris, Detective)

p_motsuk
 

I have one labeled "Nick Harris Detective 340221 - The Avenging Angel Strikes Again."

Looks like it could be the 2/20/34 episode.

It's only 22kHz. The sound is okay considering.

Would you like me to send it to you?

- Paul



On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 8:17 PM Scott Mahan <scott@...> wrote:

That’s one more than I have. Look forward to getting it.

 

From: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io <main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ryan Ellett via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2022 6:46 PM
To: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io
Subject: [OldTimeRadioResearchers] A Salute to the Law (Nick Harris, Detective)

 

We are working on a small Maintained set for the series A Salute to the Law. In our library, in Hickerson's guide, and on Goldin's site it is called Nick Harris, Detective but if you listen to the shows it is clearly called A Salute to the Law. That is also the name identified in a handful of mentions in the trades. This show ran for an astonishing 19 years beginning in 1923 and left the air in 1942 because Nick Harris died.
We have the following shows:
1934-02-13
1938-07-01
1938-07-08
1938-07-15
1938-07-22
1938-11-06
1939-05-23
1939-05-30
1939-06-27
1939-07-04
1940-03-17
1940-04-07

Goldin suggests 1934-02-20 also exists. In fact, our copy of 1934-02-13 originally had that date but upon listening one can tell it is 1934-02-13.

Anyone have anything to had to this series?
Ryan

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