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locked Re: Wisconsin Public Radio Ends OTR Broadcast Saying, "It's Racist and Sexist"

Pastor Gary
 

Ryan, I didn't see the Facebook discussion and am sorry that it got out of control.

That being said it's far more that one radio station, it's WPR's 41 radio stations that cover the entire state of Wisconsin, parts of Minnesota and the UP of Michigan, that's where I first listened to WPR and Old Time Radio Drama.  Plus it also affected their iPhone and Android app users, which I am now from West Virginia, and there are over one-hundred thousand of us around the world.  At least according to Google Play and the App Store.



Gary


On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 11:01 AM Ryan Ellett via groups.io <oldradiotimes=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
This topic absolutely exploded on the Facebook group last week when it was announced. There were a lot of vitriolic comments, insults, and people leaving. Moderators had to shut down numerous threads. Hopefully comments will remain civil here over the fact that one single radio station decided to stop playing old time radio.
Ryan



The Old Time Radio Researchers
"Saving the Past for the Future"




On Tuesday, June 23, 2020, 06:16:01 AM CDT, Pastor Gary <geverest@...> wrote:


I don't chime in often, but I feel compelled to speak up for this bit of news.

06/20/2020 - Wisconsin Public Radio produced and broadcasted a radio show called "Old Time Radio Drama" for many decades.  It formerly aired on Saturday and Sundays from 8:00-11:00 PM.  Their long-running and popular radio program has now been canceled and the archives removed from the WPR website because it "include[s] racist and sexist materials.".

Here's what they have to say at this link:

"While schedule changes can be difficult, now is the right time to end this program," said Mike Crane, WPR director. "Many of these plays and productions were produced more than 60 years ago and include racist and sexist material.   Despite significant efforts over the years, it has been nearly impossible to find historic programs without offensive and outdated content. And, ultimately, these programs don’t represent the values of WPR and The Ideas Network’s focus on public service through news and information."

It's getting crazy out there and it makes me wonder just how soon they'll be coming for my collection of "racist and sexist" OTR?

Are we next and which OTR resource might succumb to this movement in the future???

Do we just let this happen, or do we somehow speak out?

Gary


locked Re: Wisconsin Public Radio Ends OTR Broadcast Saying, "It's Racist and Sexist"

Pastor Gary
 

Hey All,

I did call WPR to voice my concerns, I felt I had the right to.  Why, because for many years, more than twenty, I 've given $500 per year, during WPR's fundraisers, directly to the locally produced WPR radio program "Old Time Radio Drama."  Only to tune in on Saturday, June 20th, 2020 to find the show missing from WPR's normal lineup.

The woman who took my call was very cordial and but also very woke and obviously concerned with virtue signaling.  I heard this when she expressed surprise that anyone would rise to support, in her words, "That racial and sexist garbage produced by white supremacists."

She then went on to inform me that many younger voices have expressed serious concerns over the racially charged nature of programs like Fiber McGee & Molly, Duffy's Tavern, Our Miss Brooks, Have Gun Will Travel, The Jack Beny Show, The Lone Ranger, Amos 'n Andy, Charlie Chan...  It seemed to me she was reading from what could be a very long list, so I interrupted her and asked with tongue-in-cheek if they also intended to ban the 1949 NBC University Theater and the1953 United States Steel Hour productions of George Orwell's prophetic tome1984.

She thought I was serious and told me that although that particular show did not come into the decision to end their production, she had heard that Wells' 1984 was being pulled from the University's libraries because "It offers an unrealistic and dystopian view of the future that cannot be allowed into the public arena."

Okay, I get they're offended. But, where does this lead?  Do we just erase all of our history and just like in 1984 no one remembers history- tomorrow there is no history?

I don't know about the rest of you, but I am scared of what comes next- what replaces our history?.

Gary

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 10:24 AM Scott Galley via groups.io <scottgalley=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:
There is no doubt we're living in a time when the desire to condemn the past and hide it away is an easier solution to the new chattering classes than to contextualize it and attempt to understand and/or enjoy it for what it is, at least with regard to radio, music and film; both as an entertainment and a window into the past.

There is no doubt that much is cringe-worthy from a 21st century perspective, but to view the past through a modern lens exclusively is to engage in 'presentism'. With this kind of approach (to quote Wikipedia), which emphasizes the relevance of history to the present, things that do not seem relevant receive little attention, which results in a misleading portrayal of the past. Which is why 'Destination Freedom' wouldn't receive airplay, sadly.

And to reiterate, just so that no one gets angry, I was in no way attempting to mussel Gary's thoughts or concerns with regard to Wisconsin Public Radio. A letter voicing objection may be the most rational approach. I just hope that we don't get too sidetracked with these sort of subjects, because I suspect that we're just a the tip of the iceberg when it come to a wholesale condemnation of the past.

Scott


locked Re: Wisconsin Public Radio Ends OTR Broadcast Saying, "It's Racist and Sexist"

Ryan Ellett
 

This topic absolutely exploded on the Facebook group last week when it was announced. There were a lot of vitriolic comments, insults, and people leaving. Moderators had to shut down numerous threads. Hopefully comments will remain civil here over the fact that one single radio station decided to stop playing old time radio.
Ryan

www.RyanEllett.com


The Old Time Radio Researchers
"Saving the Past for the Future"

www.OTRR.org
www.OTRRLibrary.org



On Tuesday, June 23, 2020, 06:16:01 AM CDT, Pastor Gary <geverest@...> wrote:


I don't chime in often, but I feel compelled to speak up for this bit of news.

06/20/2020 - Wisconsin Public Radio produced and broadcasted a radio show called "Old Time Radio Drama" for many decades.  It formerly aired on Saturday and Sundays from 8:00-11:00 PM.  Their long-running and popular radio program has now been canceled and the archives removed from the WPR website because it "include[s] racist and sexist materials.".

Here's what they have to say at this link:

"While schedule changes can be difficult, now is the right time to end this program," said Mike Crane, WPR director. "Many of these plays and productions were produced more than 60 years ago and include racist and sexist material.   Despite significant efforts over the years, it has been nearly impossible to find historic programs without offensive and outdated content. And, ultimately, these programs don’t represent the values of WPR and The Ideas Network’s focus on public service through news and information."

It's getting crazy out there and it makes me wonder just how soon they'll be coming for my collection of "racist and sexist" OTR?

Are we next and which OTR resource might succumb to this movement in the future???

Do we just let this happen, or do we somehow speak out?

Gary


locked Re: Wisconsin Public Radio Ends OTR Broadcast Saying, "It's Racist and Sexist"

Scott Galley
 

There is no doubt we're living in a time when the desire to condemn the past and hide it away is an easier solution to the new chattering classes than to contextualize it and attempt to understand and/or enjoy it for what it is, at least with regard to radio, music and film; both as an entertainment and a window into the past.

There is no doubt that much is cringe-worthy from a 21st century perspective, but to view the past through a modern lens exclusively is to engage in 'presentism'. With this kind of approach (to quote Wikipedia), which emphasizes the relevance of history to the present, things that do not seem relevant receive little attention, which results in a misleading portrayal of the past. Which is why 'Destination Freedom' wouldn't receive airplay, sadly.

And to reiterate, just so that no one gets angry, I was in no way attempting to mussel Gary's thoughts or concerns with regard to Wisconsin Public Radio. A letter voicing objection may be the most rational approach. I just hope that we don't get too sidetracked with these sort of subjects, because I suspect that we're just a the tip of the iceberg when it come to a wholesale condemnation of the past.

Scott


locked Re: Wisconsin Public Radio Ends OTR Broadcast Saying, "It's Racist and Sexist"

adam
 

Gary,

 

I think you raise a legitimate concern.

 

Anyone who’s listened to any amount of old time radio knows their some content that’s blatantly racist or sexist, and probably not suited for broadcast over the air in 2020, and quite a bit more that is a bit borderline and cringe,  but Wisconsin Public Radio’s statement is stunning for the breadth of its ignorance and its wholesale condemnation of all Old Time Radio.  They could probably decide during these time to play episodes of Destination Freedom or New World A Coming during this time instead.

 

However, I don’t think, at this point, anyone is coming for our personal collections in the immediate future. Although, one never know when angry mobs get started where they will stop.

 

I think that any radio station that plays Old Time Radio currently may be tempted, although I think commercial radio stations are at risk of it less than public radio with its own sort of culture. The main people hurt WPIR’s decision are the less technically savvy folks who rely on them.

 

The question at the end is problematic. I don’t think our speaking out would prevent the decision from occurring. If you live in Wisconsin and you listened to the program, you can certainly drop a letter, and decide not to pledge to the station again.  But a bunch of people who don’t live in Wisconsin opining, not sure what that’s supposed to do.

 

Like Scott, I don’t really want us to get political on this. I don’t see what good a statement from OTRR or any other old time radio source would do at this point, other than embroiling us in a controversy.

 

Yet, I think we have to at least among ourselves, acknowledge a problem with Wisconsin Public Radio’s statement in that it frames all old time radio as sexist and racist. That sort of attitude will make preservation of Old Time Radio and promotion of the hobby to future generations harder. Certainly, I’ve never hesitated in sharing my interest in old time radio, but I do have to wonder if at some point in the near future, to some ears, I might as well be expressing an interest in Confederate Flag collecting.

 

There is a spirit of intolerance in the air. It doesn’t care about what other people think, what historical context is or was, and has no respect for what came before. Its judgment is harsh and without mercy. Currently, old time radio is on the fringe of this spirit’s interest and influence and we can hope it burns itself out soon.

 

However, while I understand and share the extent too not get into politics with old time radio, I have to wonder what happens when politics decides to take an interest in us.

 

It’s a chilling thought.

 

 

 

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From: Pastor Gary
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 5:16 AM
To: main@oldtimeradioresearchers.groups.io
Subject: [OldTimeRadioResearchers] Wisconsin Public Radio Ends OTR Broadcast Saying, "It's Racist and Sexist"

 

I don't chime in often, but I feel compelled to speak up for this bit of news.

 

06/20/2020 - Wisconsin Public Radio produced and broadcasted a radio show called "Old Time Radio Drama" for many decades.  It formerly aired on Saturday and Sundays from 8:00-11:00 PM.  Their long-running and popular radio program has now been canceled and the archives removed from the WPR website because it "include[s] racist and sexist materials.".

 

Here's what they have to say at this link:

 

"While schedule changes can be difficult, now is the right time to end this program," said Mike Crane, WPR director. "Many of these plays and productions were produced more than 60 years ago and include racist and sexist material.   Despite significant efforts over the years, it has been nearly impossible to find historic programs without offensive and outdated content. And, ultimately, these programs don’t represent the values of WPR and The Ideas Network’s focus on public service through news and information."

 

It's getting crazy out there and it makes me wonder just how soon they'll be coming for my collection of "racist and sexist" OTR?

 

Are we next and which OTR resource might succumb to this movement in the future???

 

Do we just let this happen, or do we somehow speak out?

 

Gary

 


locked Re: Wisconsin Public Radio Ends OTR Broadcast Saying, "It's Racist and Sexist"

Larry Maupin
 

Hello Pastor Gary,

Your post is extremely interesting and informative and I'm glad you shared this information, which I would not have known otherwise.  

I have been reluctant to post anything here on Amos 'n' Andy because even though I think the program is sweet and funny, and even though it was once so popular that theaters interrupted movies that were showing all across the country to pipe in that day's episode of the show, I have been afraid of offending other members who might consider the program to be racist.  Will the day come when all episodes of Amos 'n' Andy will be banned from radio as it has apparently already been banned from television?  And the even larger question, is the program indeed racist and therefore should it  be "retired"?

As for Wisconsin Public Radio's explanation for cancelling "Old Time Radio Drama" and removing the entire program from its archives, I think that it sad and ridiculous.

Any time members of this group want to hear a great OTR program with a variety of shows, an affable and knowledgeable host and fantastic music, I recommend any episode of Same Time, Same Station, many of which are in the OTRR Library collection.

Larry. 

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From: "Pastor Gary"
To: main@oldtimeradioresearchers.groups.io
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday June 23 2020 7:16:01AM
Subject: [OldTimeRadioResearchers] Wisconsin Public Radio Ends OTR Broadcast Saying, "It's Racist and Sexist"

I don't chime in often, but I feel compelled to speak up for this bit of news.

06/20/2020 - Wisconsin Public Radio produced and broadcasted a radio show called "Old Time Radio Drama" for many decades.  It formerly aired on Saturday and Sundays from 8:00-11:00 PM.  Their long-running and popular radio program has now been canceled and the archives removed from the WPR website because it "include[s] racist and sexist materials.".

Here's what they have to say at this link:

"While schedule changes can be difficult, now is the right time to end this program," said Mike Crane, WPR director. "Many of these plays and productions were produced more than 60 years ago and include racist and sexist material.   Despite significant efforts over the years, it has been nearly impossible to find historic programs without offensive and outdated content. And, ultimately, these programs don’t represent the values of WPR and The Ideas Network’s focus on public service through news and information."

It's getting crazy out there and it makes me wonder just how soon they'll be coming for my collection of "racist and sexist" OTR?

Are we next and which OTR resource might succumb to this movement in the future???

Do we just let this happen, or do we somehow speak out?

Gary

--
Larry Maupin


locked Re: Wisconsin Public Radio Ends OTR Broadcast Saying, "It's Racist and Sexist"

Scott Galley
 

At the risk of sounding rude, which is most assuredly not my intention, this topic could dovetail into the arena of politics, which I'm sure most of us would love to keep out of this forum. I for one, don't want to know the political views of the members on this forum. Pro or con, it can colour the option and leave a bad stain, which, in these turbulent times is difficult to wash away.

Suffice it to say, there are more than enough avenues to listen to and collect Golden Age Radio without having to resort to Public Radio, which, by it's very nature, has to sway with the prevailing winds. This I can say with authority, as I work for a Public Broadcaster.

Scott



locked Wisconsin Public Radio Ends OTR Broadcast Saying, "It's Racist and Sexist"

Pastor Gary
 

I don't chime in often, but I feel compelled to speak up for this bit of news.

06/20/2020 - Wisconsin Public Radio produced and broadcasted a radio show called "Old Time Radio Drama" for many decades.  It formerly aired on Saturday and Sundays from 8:00-11:00 PM.  Their long-running and popular radio program has now been canceled and the archives removed from the WPR website because it "include[s] racist and sexist materials.".

Here's what they have to say at this link:

"While schedule changes can be difficult, now is the right time to end this program," said Mike Crane, WPR director. "Many of these plays and productions were produced more than 60 years ago and include racist and sexist material.   Despite significant efforts over the years, it has been nearly impossible to find historic programs without offensive and outdated content. And, ultimately, these programs don’t represent the values of WPR and The Ideas Network’s focus on public service through news and information."

It's getting crazy out there and it makes me wonder just how soon they'll be coming for my collection of "racist and sexist" OTR?

Are we next and which OTR resource might succumb to this movement in the future???

Do we just let this happen, or do we somehow speak out?

Gary


Re: Life with Luigi Listeners Needed

K & J Hammel
 

Ryan,

I have time for 5 episodes.

Kathy H.

On Monday, June 22, 2020, 07:14:06 AM PDT, Ryan Ellett via groups.io <oldradiotimes@...> wrote:


We're now ready to enlist listeners to go through our in-the-works set of Life with Luigi. We have a total of 172 episodes ready for a 2nd listen, including a handful of AFRS duplicates. Be aware that the quality of some is lower than I'd prefer but the best I could find. I do ask that if you volunteer, you pay special attention to the ending credits and compare them to what is listed on Goldin's RadioGoldINdex website. Some scripts were reused in their entirety and portions of other scripts were cut and pasted into later stories with other new elements added around them. So if you listen to many episodes you'll start thinking, "I'm sure I've heard this before." Listening especially for the announcer (which changed with some regularity) can help clarify when you're deciding between two similar or identical broadcasts. I've had luck sending out 5 episodes at a time but can send out fewer if desired. Come one, come all, listeners!
Ryan


Re: Life with Luigi Listeners Needed

BrianWest2@...
 

Ryan, this is one of my favorite shows, I'll take a listen if you still have a need.

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Ellett via groups.io <oldradiotimes@...>
To: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Jun 22, 2020 10:14 am
Subject: [OldTimeRadioResearchers] Life with Luigi Listeners Needed

We're now ready to enlist listeners to go through our in-the-works set of Life with Luigi. We have a total of 172 episodes ready for a 2nd listen, including a handful of AFRS duplicates. Be aware that the quality of some is lower than I'd prefer but the best I could find. I do ask that if you volunteer, you pay special attention to the ending credits and compare them to what is listed on Goldin's RadioGoldINdex website. Some scripts were reused in their entirety and portions of other scripts were cut and pasted into later stories with other new elements added around them. So if you listen to many episodes you'll start thinking, "I'm sure I've heard this before." Listening especially for the announcer (which changed with some regularity) can help clarify when you're deciding between two similar or identical broadcasts. I've had luck sending out 5 episodes at a time but can send out fewer if desired. Come one, come all, listeners!
Ryan


Re: Life with Luigi Listeners Needed

Ryan Ellett
 


Let me know when you're ready for more!
Ryan


www.RyanEllett.com


The Old Time Radio Researchers
"Saving the Past for the Future"

www.OTRR.org
www.OTRRLibrary.org



On Monday, June 22, 2020, 9:22:15 AM CDT, Damon Fries <dbfries@...> wrote:


I’ll try a batch…


On 22 Jun 2020, at 16:14, Ryan Ellett via groups.io <oldradiotimes@...> wrote:

We're now ready to enlist listeners to go through our in-the-works set of Life with Luigi. We have a total of 172 episodes ready for a 2nd listen, including a handful of AFRS duplicates. Be aware that the quality of some is lower than I'd prefer but the best I could find. I do ask that if you volunteer, you pay special attention to the ending credits and compare them to what is listed on Goldin's RadioGoldINdex website. Some scripts were reused in their entirety and portions of other scripts were cut and pasted into later stories with other new elements added around them. So if you listen to many episodes you'll start thinking, "I'm sure I've heard this before." Listening especially for the announcer (which changed with some regularity) can help clarify when you're deciding between two similar or identical broadcasts. I've had luck sending out 5 episodes at a time but can send out fewer if desired. Come one, come all, listeners!
Ryan


Re: Life with Luigi Listeners Needed

DaveC
 

Feel free to send me a batch.


Re: Life with Luigi Listeners Needed

Damon Fries
 

I’ll try a batch…


On 22 Jun 2020, at 16:14, Ryan Ellett via groups.io <oldradiotimes@...> wrote:

We're now ready to enlist listeners to go through our in-the-works set of Life with Luigi. We have a total of 172 episodes ready for a 2nd listen, including a handful of AFRS duplicates. Be aware that the quality of some is lower than I'd prefer but the best I could find. I do ask that if you volunteer, you pay special attention to the ending credits and compare them to what is listed on Goldin's RadioGoldINdex website. Some scripts were reused in their entirety and portions of other scripts were cut and pasted into later stories with other new elements added around them. So if you listen to many episodes you'll start thinking, "I'm sure I've heard this before." Listening especially for the announcer (which changed with some regularity) can help clarify when you're deciding between two similar or identical broadcasts. I've had luck sending out 5 episodes at a time but can send out fewer if desired. Come one, come all, listeners!
Ryan


Re: OTRR

Jim Jones
 

Paul
Great tool. Good work.
jj
 
 
 
From: Paul Kornman via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2020 7:21 AM
To: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io
Subject: Re: [OldTimeRadioResearchers] OTRR
 
I made a tool to show which files have been added from the Purchasing Group:  https://otrr.org/otrrPG.html

- Paul


Life with Luigi Listeners Needed

Ryan Ellett
 

We're now ready to enlist listeners to go through our in-the-works set of Life with Luigi. We have a total of 172 episodes ready for a 2nd listen, including a handful of AFRS duplicates. Be aware that the quality of some is lower than I'd prefer but the best I could find. I do ask that if you volunteer, you pay special attention to the ending credits and compare them to what is listed on Goldin's RadioGoldINdex website. Some scripts were reused in their entirety and portions of other scripts were cut and pasted into later stories with other new elements added around them. So if you listen to many episodes you'll start thinking, "I'm sure I've heard this before." Listening especially for the announcer (which changed with some regularity) can help clarify when you're deciding between two similar or identical broadcasts. I've had luck sending out 5 episodes at a time but can send out fewer if desired. Come one, come all, listeners!
Ryan


Re: OTRR

Paul Kornman
 

I made a tool to show which files have been added from the Purchasing Group:  https://otrr.org/otrrPG.html

- Paul


Re: OTRR

Joe Webb
 

If you are a member of the purchasing group, you can go to that groups page and there is a section called "Files"
This is a link to that page https://oldtimeradioresearchers.groups.io/g/OTRRPurchasingGroup/files
It has files that have the information in spreadsheet form sorted by distro group and also by series name



--


Adventures of Horatio Hornblower

Scott Mahan
 

The link on http://otrrlibrary.org/h.html doesn’t work, gets a Not Found 404 error.

But on archive.org there is an OTRR Certified Set of all 52 episodes https://archive.org/download/OTRR_Certified_Horatio_Hornblower/OTRR_Certified_Horatio_Hornblower.jpg

The new site https://www.otrr.org/OTRRLibrary/otrrlibrary.html does work but searching for the series produces only 12 episodes.

Did anyone present today work on the Certified Set and know what has happened here and why there are now only 12 episodes in the library?


Re: OTRR

B. J. Watkins
 

Is there a list of those Purchasing Group files?


From: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io <main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io> on behalf of Paul Kornman via groups.io <pkornman@...>
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 6:30 AM
To: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io <main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [OldTimeRadioResearchers] OTRR
 
Try the beta site (https://www.otrr.org/OTRRLibrary/otrrlibrary.html) and let me know what you think.
You can view episodes in a 'Table' (new way - click the file to listen to it) or as a list (old way - click to listen, right-click to download).
Bonus #1: You can search by Episode title.
Bonus #2: The newly added Purchasing Group files (19,100 total) are available as well.

- Paul


Re: OTRR

Jerome Thomas
 

Try this link, it is the one I use and it works...

http://www.otrrlibrary.org/


Good luck,
Jerry Thomas



On 6/20/2020 11:59 PM, AB.Wildrose03@... wrote:

I've been trying to get on to the website OTRR Researcher Library, I've been listening to this website for a long time and now it doesn't work. Does anyone know about this website and why it isn't working? I there any website that I can use to listen to Old Time Radio shows?

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