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Ryan Ellett
 

In case you missed these in the last couple minutes, both The Adventures of Philip Marlowe v. 2005 and The Danny Kaye Show v. 2006 are both available on Archive.org now. Our next release should be forthcoming anytime now!

Ryan


Re: OTR Connections

B. J. Watkins
 

There was an intersection in Glendora, CA that I thought was great. On the four corners were Straight Arrow carpets, Gunsmoke, Winchell's Donuts (I always thought Walter Winchell), and then a sign on the fourth corner saying Chinese buffet coming soon. How I hoped it'd be called Charlie Chan but didn't happen.


From: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io <main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io> on behalf of Ryan Ellett via groups.io <oldradiotimes@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 7:58 AM
To: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io <main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io>
Subject: [OldTimeRadioResearchers] OTR Connections
 
As a light-hearted post I wanted to hear from others. While out on my morning run I saw a restaurant that, years ago (about 20), was called Molly McGee's. It could have been pure coincidence. There also was a Goodman Ace Hardware in Kansas City; I took a picture of it once when I drove by. I couldn't believe it. I'm not sure it's there anymore. 

Are there any establishments in your area that are a callback in some way to old time radio?
Ryan


Re: OTR Connections

Archie
 

There's an "Allen's Alley" here in Stratford Ontario. It is a short walkthrough from a street back to the rear entrances of some retail shops and the parking lot.

Archie


OTR Connections

Ryan Ellett
 

As a light-hearted post I wanted to hear from others. While out on my morning run I saw a restaurant that, years ago (about 20), was called Molly McGee's. It could have been pure coincidence. There also was a Goodman Ace Hardware in Kansas City; I took a picture of it once when I drove by. I couldn't believe it. I'm not sure it's there anymore. 

Are there any establishments in your area that are a callback in some way to old time radio?
Ryan


Re: WPR

Ryan Ellett
 

I've had some good off-board conversations about this; moderation has been turned off. 
Ryan


Re: WPR

Allan Foster
 

Thanks Ryan.

Allan


On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:37 AM, Junior59USA


Re: What we CAN do

Junior59USA
 

You can also stream WAMU's program The Big Broadcast on Sunday nights from 7pm to 11pm. You can find the site at https://www.wamu.org. You can also find their streaming service and Tune-In. They have been on-going since 1964. They have a facebook page as well it's TheBigBroadcast. It's a great 4 hours to gather the kids or grandkids around to listen to not only the shows but a bit of background on old time radio from their host Maury Horowitz. I know I am pimping this show but it's really good and you should check it out. Just my opinon :-)


Re: WPR

Junior59USA
 

How said is it that we have allowed ourselves to devolve into those things you have brought at least to my attention. I was offended at what they did but instead of a long diatribe in here which would of been way off topic, I choose to vent my anger with WPR and emailed them. But now I have to ask people, how many listen to Maury Horowitz on WAMU on Sunday nights. I have been doing that for years now. When I lived in the district on the radio and now streaming on my smart speaker (smart speaker ha ha - she is so dumb). One of the finest OTR programs out there. And there are so many podcasts out there doing OTR - that I don't think we will ever have to worry about losing old radio in this new day of technology. Keep up the good work Ryan. 


Re: WPR

Ryan Ellett
 

OTRR friends,
As many have noticed, the post about Wisconsin Public Radio's change was quickly devolving into a very unproductive thread. It was becoming commentary on current events which, while clearly worthy of in-depth reflection and discussion, are not the purpose of this group. The Facebook group had to lock such threads and the OTR Digest also has had to lock discussion on this topic. Our thread has now also been locked. Everyone in this group loves old-time radio but we also represent a wide range of political opinions and persuasions; Given the tone of the responses, I don't see a way for the topic to be re-opened at this time without creating a hostile, negative environment. You'll see a delay in postings as I have temporarily required each message to be moderated before it appears on the group site. Hopefully feelings will quickly cool and we can get back to our business of sharing old-time radio with audiences who want to hear it.
Ryan


Re: What we CAN do

Larry Maupin
 

Claire,

All good, but I like the commercials and music, and I think it damages a piece of art and social and cultural history and, in the case of music, often something beautiful to delete them from an episode.

Thank you for sharing your two favorite podcasts.

Larry



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From: "C. Nava"
To: "main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io"
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday June 23 2020 8:21:15PM
Subject: [OldTimeRadioResearchers] What we CAN do

Well, here’s a start: I listen to downloads from the OTRR library as well as Down These Mean Streets  and RelicRadio podcasts. I don’t have much money at present, but I’m going to write to encourage the podcasters and support OTRR and the podcasters with small donations. 

I’m starting here. I cannot thank our OTRR leadership enough. Your dedication and professionalism are tremendous. How many hours and dollars do you each volunteer every month to keep our past alive and available to all? And free of commercial sponsorship (except for Rinso, DeSoto, Fitch Shampoo, and Fatima cigarettes)...

Who else has a favorite OTRR website, radio station, or podcast? Let’s support as many as we can.

Claire



--
Larry Maupin


What we CAN do

C. Nava
 

Well, here’s a start: I listen to downloads from the OTRR library as well as Down These Mean Streets  and RelicRadio podcasts. I don’t have much money at present, but I’m going to write to encourage the podcasters and support OTRR and the podcasters with small donations. 

I’m starting here. I cannot thank our OTRR leadership enough. Your dedication and professionalism are tremendous. How many hours and dollars do you each volunteer every month to keep our past alive and available to all? And free of commercial sponsorship (except for Rinso, DeSoto, Fitch Shampoo, and Fatima cigarettes)...

Who else has a favorite OTRR website, radio station, or podcast? Let’s support as many as we can.

Claire



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ALTERUM
 

Enough is enough

I can not take it anymore!!!
They are trying to...... no, what I mean they are erasing our past, our history, they want to crash everything, the good and the bad and most important all the changes we made to have a more perfect union.
Please, stand up, they waited for years, this is their perfect storm.
Please stand up!
Old Time Radio will not disappear without a fight.

AT


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Pastor Gary
 

Bob, the host Norman Gilliland really made the shows come alive.  He would intro each show with some facts about the actors, the sponsor, the writers, the producer, the singer/band, or even the foley people and how they made specific sounds happen.  Norm would inform the listener if it was a repeat show from the same series or had already been produced by a different show.  If the show was a repeat he would talk about how the script might have been changed from one production to the next and if the actors changed he would tell why they changed actors.  And he would always give some bit about the sponsor if the program still had its commercials.  And before each show began he would give a clue as to the plot and then a summation at the end of the show.

Yeah, there must have been some show selection based upon content going on behind the scenes.  I say this because some time in the early 90s Norm stopped playing Amos 'n' Andy.  And then a few years back he was playing 6 episodes of Jack Benny Christmas programs back to back and he felt it necessary to spend 5 minutes explaining Rochester in-depth culturally.

I enjoyed and supported WPR's Old Time Radio Drama production for decades and will need to find something else to do with my Saturday and Sunday evenings.

Here's another thought.  I just gave WPR $500 in April, as I do every year, specifically for the production of the show Old Time Radio Drama.  I wonder I could ask them for a refund?  I'll bet they won't give me my money back.

Gary


On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 2:57 PM Bob Stepno <Rstepno@...> wrote:
"... ultimately, these programs don’t represent the values of WPR and The Ideas Network’s focus on public service through news and information."

Not being from Wisconsin, I have never heard this program, but if old-time radio shows were simply being presented as inexpensive filler, and all the production effort went into finding "safe" material, I can see how the statement above would be true. 

To represent "Public Service news and information values," old radio would have to be presented as history lessons with discussion of cultural context (gender roles, portrayal of ethnic, racial and political groups, etc.), but that would cost the station time and production money that might be better spent covering local news and contemporary issues.

Maybe the Wisconsin program already made some attempt in that direction, but wasn't able to do it well enough or enthusiastically enough to continue. I don't know. If a Wisconsin old time radio club wanted to offer a frame for such a series, that might be a solution.

I wonder whether any other statewide Public Radio organizations have such an offering? (Apologies if I am jumping into the middle of the discussion that has been going on for a while, I am behind on my email and just using a smartphone to catch up, so I can't do much backtracking without going cross-eyed.)

Bob in the Blue Ridge 


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Bob@...
 

"... ultimately, these programs don’t represent the values of WPR and The Ideas Network’s focus on public service through news and information."

Not being from Wisconsin, I have never heard this program, but if old-time radio shows were simply being presented as inexpensive filler, and all the production effort went into finding "safe" material, I can see how the statement above would be true. 

To represent "Public Service news and information values," old radio would have to be presented as history lessons with discussion of cultural context (gender roles, portrayal of ethnic, racial and political groups, etc.), but that would cost the station time and production money that might be better spent covering local news and contemporary issues.

Maybe the Wisconsin program already made some attempt in that direction, but wasn't able to do it well enough or enthusiastically enough to continue. I don't know. If a Wisconsin old time radio club wanted to offer a frame for such a series, that might be a solution.

I wonder whether any other statewide Public Radio organizations have such an offering? (Apologies if I am jumping into the middle of the discussion that has been going on for a while, I am behind on my email and just using a smartphone to catch up, so I can't do much backtracking without going cross-eyed.)

Bob in the Blue Ridge 


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C. Nava
 

It’s like banning Huck Finn or going after Howard Duff during the Red scare: ridiculous and pointless moves designed to placate the noisiest group. When did we start giving in to social terrorists?


From: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io <main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io> on behalf of Richard Davenport <klingon1@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 10:17:30 AM
To: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io <main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [OldTimeRadioResearchers] Wisconsin Public Radio Ends OTR Broadcast Saying, "It's Racist and Sexist"
 
Things are going crazy right now with the Black/White thing.  Things that happened more than a century ago are being brought to light as if they are a current problem.  It is insane and rediculous and assenine.   It is being blown way out of porportion.  It is almost as if we are reverting back to the McCarthyism era of everyone is a Communist sympathizer.  This is pushing political correctness BS to whole new levels of stupidity.   I personally have no problem if someone wants to flap a sign around but start looting and commiting problems and you get a bullet.    If you don't like the country.  PLEASE LEAVE!!

Rick
Labor ipse voluptas


On Tuesday, June 23, 2020, 10:57:31 AM CDT, Pastor Gary <geverest@...> wrote:


Ryan, I didn't see the Facebook discussion and am sorry that it got out of control.

That being said it's far more that one radio station, it's WPR's 41 radio stations that cover the entire state of Wisconsin, parts of Minnesota and the UP of Michigan, that's where I first listened to WPR and Old Time Radio Drama.  Plus it also affected their iPhone and Android app users, which I am now from West Virginia, and there are over one-hundred thousand of us around the world.  At least according to Google Play and the App Store.



Gary

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 11:01 AM Ryan Ellett via groups.io <oldradiotimes=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

This topic absolutely exploded on the Facebook group last week when it was announced. There were a lot of vitriolic comments, insults, and people leaving. Moderators had to shut down numerous threads. Hopefully comments will remain civil here over the fact that one single radio station decided to stop playing old time radio.
Ryan



The Old Time Radio Researchers
"Saving the Past for the Future"




On Tuesday, June 23, 2020, 06:16:01 AM CDT, Pastor Gary <geverest@...> wrote:


I don't chime in often, but I feel compelled to speak up for this bit of news.

06/20/2020 - Wisconsin Public Radio produced and broadcasted a radio show called "Old Time Radio Drama" for many decades.  It formerly aired on Saturday and Sundays from 8:00-11:00 PM.  Their long-running and popular radio program has now been canceled and the archives removed from the WPR website because it "include[s] racist and sexist materials.".

Here's what they have to say at this link:

"While schedule changes can be difficult, now is the right time to end this program," said Mike Crane, WPR director. "Many of these plays and productions were produced more than 60 years ago and include racist and sexist material.   Despite significant efforts over the years, it has been nearly impossible to find historic programs without offensive and outdated content. And, ultimately, these programs don’t represent the values of WPR and The Ideas Network’s focus on public service through news and information."

It's getting crazy out there and it makes me wonder just how soon they'll be coming for my collection of "racist and sexist" OTR?

Are we next and which OTR resource might succumb to this movement in the future???

Do we just let this happen, or do we somehow speak out?

Gary


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Richard Davenport
 

Things are going crazy right now with the Black/White thing.  Things that happened more than a century ago are being brought to light as if they are a current problem.  It is insane and rediculous and assenine.   It is being blown way out of porportion.  It is almost as if we are reverting back to the McCarthyism era of everyone is a Communist sympathizer.  This is pushing political correctness BS to whole new levels of stupidity.   I personally have no problem if someone wants to flap a sign around but start looting and commiting problems and you get a bullet.    If you don't like the country.  PLEASE LEAVE!!

Rick
Labor ipse voluptas


On Tuesday, June 23, 2020, 10:57:31 AM CDT, Pastor Gary <geverest@...> wrote:


Ryan, I didn't see the Facebook discussion and am sorry that it got out of control.

That being said it's far more that one radio station, it's WPR's 41 radio stations that cover the entire state of Wisconsin, parts of Minnesota and the UP of Michigan, that's where I first listened to WPR and Old Time Radio Drama.  Plus it also affected their iPhone and Android app users, which I am now from West Virginia, and there are over one-hundred thousand of us around the world.  At least according to Google Play and the App Store.



Gary


On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 11:01 AM Ryan Ellett via groups.io <oldradiotimes=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
This topic absolutely exploded on the Facebook group last week when it was announced. There were a lot of vitriolic comments, insults, and people leaving. Moderators had to shut down numerous threads. Hopefully comments will remain civil here over the fact that one single radio station decided to stop playing old time radio.
Ryan



The Old Time Radio Researchers
"Saving the Past for the Future"




On Tuesday, June 23, 2020, 06:16:01 AM CDT, Pastor Gary <geverest@...> wrote:


I don't chime in often, but I feel compelled to speak up for this bit of news.

06/20/2020 - Wisconsin Public Radio produced and broadcasted a radio show called "Old Time Radio Drama" for many decades.  It formerly aired on Saturday and Sundays from 8:00-11:00 PM.  Their long-running and popular radio program has now been canceled and the archives removed from the WPR website because it "include[s] racist and sexist materials.".

Here's what they have to say at this link:

"While schedule changes can be difficult, now is the right time to end this program," said Mike Crane, WPR director. "Many of these plays and productions were produced more than 60 years ago and include racist and sexist material.   Despite significant efforts over the years, it has been nearly impossible to find historic programs without offensive and outdated content. And, ultimately, these programs don’t represent the values of WPR and The Ideas Network’s focus on public service through news and information."

It's getting crazy out there and it makes me wonder just how soon they'll be coming for my collection of "racist and sexist" OTR?

Are we next and which OTR resource might succumb to this movement in the future???

Do we just let this happen, or do we somehow speak out?

Gary


locked Re: Wisconsin Public Radio Ends OTR Broadcast Saying, "It's Racist and Sexist"

Pastor Gary
 

Ryan, I didn't see the Facebook discussion and am sorry that it got out of control.

That being said it's far more that one radio station, it's WPR's 41 radio stations that cover the entire state of Wisconsin, parts of Minnesota and the UP of Michigan, that's where I first listened to WPR and Old Time Radio Drama.  Plus it also affected their iPhone and Android app users, which I am now from West Virginia, and there are over one-hundred thousand of us around the world.  At least according to Google Play and the App Store.



Gary


On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 11:01 AM Ryan Ellett via groups.io <oldradiotimes=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
This topic absolutely exploded on the Facebook group last week when it was announced. There were a lot of vitriolic comments, insults, and people leaving. Moderators had to shut down numerous threads. Hopefully comments will remain civil here over the fact that one single radio station decided to stop playing old time radio.
Ryan



The Old Time Radio Researchers
"Saving the Past for the Future"




On Tuesday, June 23, 2020, 06:16:01 AM CDT, Pastor Gary <geverest@...> wrote:


I don't chime in often, but I feel compelled to speak up for this bit of news.

06/20/2020 - Wisconsin Public Radio produced and broadcasted a radio show called "Old Time Radio Drama" for many decades.  It formerly aired on Saturday and Sundays from 8:00-11:00 PM.  Their long-running and popular radio program has now been canceled and the archives removed from the WPR website because it "include[s] racist and sexist materials.".

Here's what they have to say at this link:

"While schedule changes can be difficult, now is the right time to end this program," said Mike Crane, WPR director. "Many of these plays and productions were produced more than 60 years ago and include racist and sexist material.   Despite significant efforts over the years, it has been nearly impossible to find historic programs without offensive and outdated content. And, ultimately, these programs don’t represent the values of WPR and The Ideas Network’s focus on public service through news and information."

It's getting crazy out there and it makes me wonder just how soon they'll be coming for my collection of "racist and sexist" OTR?

Are we next and which OTR resource might succumb to this movement in the future???

Do we just let this happen, or do we somehow speak out?

Gary


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Pastor Gary
 

Hey All,

I did call WPR to voice my concerns, I felt I had the right to.  Why, because for many years, more than twenty, I 've given $500 per year, during WPR's fundraisers, directly to the locally produced WPR radio program "Old Time Radio Drama."  Only to tune in on Saturday, June 20th, 2020 to find the show missing from WPR's normal lineup.

The woman who took my call was very cordial and but also very woke and obviously concerned with virtue signaling.  I heard this when she expressed surprise that anyone would rise to support, in her words, "That racial and sexist garbage produced by white supremacists."

She then went on to inform me that many younger voices have expressed serious concerns over the racially charged nature of programs like Fiber McGee & Molly, Duffy's Tavern, Our Miss Brooks, Have Gun Will Travel, The Jack Beny Show, The Lone Ranger, Amos 'n Andy, Charlie Chan...  It seemed to me she was reading from what could be a very long list, so I interrupted her and asked with tongue-in-cheek if they also intended to ban the 1949 NBC University Theater and the1953 United States Steel Hour productions of George Orwell's prophetic tome1984.

She thought I was serious and told me that although that particular show did not come into the decision to end their production, she had heard that Wells' 1984 was being pulled from the University's libraries because "It offers an unrealistic and dystopian view of the future that cannot be allowed into the public arena."

Okay, I get they're offended. But, where does this lead?  Do we just erase all of our history and just like in 1984 no one remembers history- tomorrow there is no history?

I don't know about the rest of you, but I am scared of what comes next- what replaces our history?.

Gary

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 10:24 AM Scott Galley via groups.io <scottgalley=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:
There is no doubt we're living in a time when the desire to condemn the past and hide it away is an easier solution to the new chattering classes than to contextualize it and attempt to understand and/or enjoy it for what it is, at least with regard to radio, music and film; both as an entertainment and a window into the past.

There is no doubt that much is cringe-worthy from a 21st century perspective, but to view the past through a modern lens exclusively is to engage in 'presentism'. With this kind of approach (to quote Wikipedia), which emphasizes the relevance of history to the present, things that do not seem relevant receive little attention, which results in a misleading portrayal of the past. Which is why 'Destination Freedom' wouldn't receive airplay, sadly.

And to reiterate, just so that no one gets angry, I was in no way attempting to mussel Gary's thoughts or concerns with regard to Wisconsin Public Radio. A letter voicing objection may be the most rational approach. I just hope that we don't get too sidetracked with these sort of subjects, because I suspect that we're just a the tip of the iceberg when it come to a wholesale condemnation of the past.

Scott


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Ryan Ellett
 

This topic absolutely exploded on the Facebook group last week when it was announced. There were a lot of vitriolic comments, insults, and people leaving. Moderators had to shut down numerous threads. Hopefully comments will remain civil here over the fact that one single radio station decided to stop playing old time radio.
Ryan

www.RyanEllett.com


The Old Time Radio Researchers
"Saving the Past for the Future"

www.OTRR.org
www.OTRRLibrary.org



On Tuesday, June 23, 2020, 06:16:01 AM CDT, Pastor Gary <geverest@...> wrote:


I don't chime in often, but I feel compelled to speak up for this bit of news.

06/20/2020 - Wisconsin Public Radio produced and broadcasted a radio show called "Old Time Radio Drama" for many decades.  It formerly aired on Saturday and Sundays from 8:00-11:00 PM.  Their long-running and popular radio program has now been canceled and the archives removed from the WPR website because it "include[s] racist and sexist materials.".

Here's what they have to say at this link:

"While schedule changes can be difficult, now is the right time to end this program," said Mike Crane, WPR director. "Many of these plays and productions were produced more than 60 years ago and include racist and sexist material.   Despite significant efforts over the years, it has been nearly impossible to find historic programs without offensive and outdated content. And, ultimately, these programs don’t represent the values of WPR and The Ideas Network’s focus on public service through news and information."

It's getting crazy out there and it makes me wonder just how soon they'll be coming for my collection of "racist and sexist" OTR?

Are we next and which OTR resource might succumb to this movement in the future???

Do we just let this happen, or do we somehow speak out?

Gary


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Scott Galley
 

There is no doubt we're living in a time when the desire to condemn the past and hide it away is an easier solution to the new chattering classes than to contextualize it and attempt to understand and/or enjoy it for what it is, at least with regard to radio, music and film; both as an entertainment and a window into the past.

There is no doubt that much is cringe-worthy from a 21st century perspective, but to view the past through a modern lens exclusively is to engage in 'presentism'. With this kind of approach (to quote Wikipedia), which emphasizes the relevance of history to the present, things that do not seem relevant receive little attention, which results in a misleading portrayal of the past. Which is why 'Destination Freedom' wouldn't receive airplay, sadly.

And to reiterate, just so that no one gets angry, I was in no way attempting to mussel Gary's thoughts or concerns with regard to Wisconsin Public Radio. A letter voicing objection may be the most rational approach. I just hope that we don't get too sidetracked with these sort of subjects, because I suspect that we're just a the tip of the iceberg when it come to a wholesale condemnation of the past.

Scott

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