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Re: Bios for Amazing Mr. Malone

K & J Hammel
 

I'm looking into Gene Raymond... Not a lot on his radio career, but I should be able to come up with something.

Kathy

On Saturday, June 4, 2022, 11:16:15 AM PDT, Ryan Ellett via groups.io <oldradiotimes@...> wrote:


Kathy (and anyone else),
We need bios of Gene Raymond and George Petrie, both of whom played John J. Malone in the Amazing Mr. Malone. I thought we might have a Petrie bio in the Philo Vance set but no such luck. Either sound interesting?
Ryan

www.RyanEllett.com


The Old Time Radio Researchers
"Saving the Past for the Future"




Re: Bios for Amazing Mr. Malone

Ryan Ellett
 

Kathy (and anyone else),
We need bios of Gene Raymond and George Petrie, both of whom played John J. Malone in the Amazing Mr. Malone. I thought we might have a Petrie bio in the Philo Vance set but no such luck. Either sound interesting?
Ryan

www.RyanEllett.com


The Old Time Radio Researchers
"Saving the Past for the Future"




Re: 80th Anniversary of Suspense -- Observances on streaming stations and others

Joe Webb
 

Tonight is the first of the Suspense 80th anniversary events! It's the Radio Talking Book Service and a program with fellow collector Ryan Osentowski called "Dusty Attic" for the next four weeks.
Live streaming is at https://rtbs.org; RTBS recommends using the TuneIn app on phones and such if you prefer accessing that way
Saturday 11pmET/10pmCT starting this weekend, June 4, 2022
Sunday 10pmET/9pmCT is the repeat play
Other events are scheduled and new ones will be noted as they are announced at
https://sites.google.com/view/suspense80th/home

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Re: OTRR is on Tik Tok

Scott Mahan
 

That is super-cool.

 

Tik Tok is not so bad. If you ever need to fix anything, their videos are way better than YouTube to figure it out.

Sorting through 60 second answers is way better than 60 minute answers.

Carburetors, virtual server hosts, concrete repair, even taxes, Tik Tok has helped me with it all.

But no funky dances … with you there … not necessary. J

 

OTR needs to be there. Proud to have you putting it out there!

 

From: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io <main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ryan Ellett via groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 3:34 PM
To: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io
Subject: [OldTimeRadioResearchers] OTRR is on Tik Tok

 

If you're like me, you have not the slightest interest in Tik Tok. Nevertheless, tens of millions of whipper-snappers do, and the numbers that Brian Kavanaugh, our YouTube maestro reports we get on that platform are astounding. I tapped my more savvy 17-year-old daughter to help set up a Tik Tok account and create some initial "videos." Basically, we're just using audio clips combined with art from our Maintained sets to create the short, one-minute videos. I'm not doing any funky dances, I can assure you! That being said, if you happen to have a Tik Tok account or have kids or grandkids who do, encourage them to follow us and like our videos. This increases their overall visibility. We really have no idea what we're doing but figure an attempt to bring the old-time radio medium to this social media platform is worth some time and effort. Here is the link to our profile


OTRR is on Tik Tok

Ryan Ellett
 

If you're like me, you have not the slightest interest in Tik Tok. Nevertheless, tens of millions of whipper-snappers do, and the numbers that Brian Kavanaugh, our YouTube maestro reports we get on that platform are astounding. I tapped my more savvy 17-year-old daughter to help set up a Tik Tok account and create some initial "videos." Basically, we're just using audio clips combined with art from our Maintained sets to create the short, one-minute videos. I'm not doing any funky dances, I can assure you! That being said, if you happen to have a Tik Tok account or have kids or grandkids who do, encourage them to follow us and like our videos. This increases their overall visibility. We really have no idea what we're doing but figure an attempt to bring the old-time radio medium to this social media platform is worth some time and effort. Here is the link to our profile


Re: Craig Rice bio

Ryan Ellett
 

Kathy, thanks for the offer. I forgot I wrote about her in one of my books, so I'll adapt that. But we'll probably need a couple other bios for the series so I'll get back to you about those.
Ryan

www.RyanEllett.com


The Old Time Radio Researchers
"Saving the Past for the Future"




On Thursday, June 2, 2022, 05:46:55 PM CDT, K & J Hammel <haml@...> wrote:


Ryan,

 I can take a stab at this if no one else has volunteered.

Kathy H


On Jun 2, 2022, at 7:56 AM, Ryan Ellett via groups.io <oldradiotimes@...> wrote:



Is anyone interested in writing a short bio of author Craig Rice for a Murder/Amazing Mr. Malone Maintained set? We'd especially like for it to focus on her radio work.

Ryan


80th Anniversary of Suspense -- Observances on streaming stations and others

Joe Webb
 

I've started this website for the 80th birthday of the series

https://sites.google.com/view/suspense80th/home

Hope you can join in on some of them

If you know of more, please email me and I'll consider it for inclusion!


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Re: Craig Rice bio

K & J Hammel
 

Ryan,

 I can take a stab at this if no one else has volunteered.

Kathy H


On Jun 2, 2022, at 7:56 AM, Ryan Ellett via groups.io <oldradiotimes@...> wrote:



Is anyone interested in writing a short bio of author Craig Rice for a Murder/Amazing Mr. Malone Maintained set? We'd especially like for it to focus on her radio work.

Ryan


Craig Rice bio

Ryan Ellett
 

Is anyone interested in writing a short bio of author Craig Rice for a Murder/Amazing Mr. Malone Maintained set? We'd especially like for it to focus on her radio work.

Ryan


Voice Over Volunteer here for General Learning

@Johnoffalsegods
 

Hello
        I don't know what I will contribute, if anything. Just here to augment my voice over life as a LibriVox volunteer reader. Most of these radio shows were way before my time. Anything from Dorothy Kilgallen's breakfast radio show  that was, for that time, a novel idea?

        best regards and blown away that even radio scripts are available
        John


Re: Old-Time Radio Researchers Facebook Group?

Karl Schadow
 

The 2018 Music Modernization Act did clarify many aspects of the matter. However, in addition to audio, one most consider the scripts, if they were submitted for copyright claim. Moreover, there may be individual character rights involved. Copyright pertaining to radio programs can be exceedingly complex. I base this premise on my 25+ years of experience delving into these issues at the Library of Congress and elsewhere. Feel free to email me directly for further discussion.


From: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io <main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io> on behalf of Ken Arromdee <arromdee@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 4:44 PM
To: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io <main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [OldTimeRadioResearchers] Old-Time Radio Researchers Facebook Group?
 
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022, Ryan Ellett via groups.io wrote:
> To
> my knowledge there's little actual case law on the old radio programs so
> it's pretty much everyone sharing amateur legal opinions which have little
> to no real value.

https://www.copyright.gov/music-modernization/pre1972-soundrecordings/

The only OTR that is out of copyright is anything before 1923, which is probably nothing.  There's a 1 year gap and then recordings from 1923-1946 go out of copyright in 2024-2047.

The reason that people thought that OTR is not copyrighted is that before passage of the Music Modernization Act in 2018 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_Modernization_Act ), OTR was not *Federally* copyrighted.  However, it was instead covered under what remained of state copyright laws, which were inconsistent and varied from state to state.  This changed in 2018.






Re: Old-Time Radio Researchers Facebook Group?

Ken Arromdee
 

On Wed, 1 Jun 2022, Ryan Ellett via groups.io wrote:
To
my knowledge there's little actual case law on the old radio programs so
it's pretty much everyone sharing amateur legal opinions which have little
to no real value.
https://www.copyright.gov/music-modernization/pre1972-soundrecordings/

The only OTR that is out of copyright is anything before 1923, which is probably nothing. There's a 1 year gap and then recordings from 1923-1946 go out of copyright in 2024-2047.

The reason that people thought that OTR is not copyrighted is that before passage of the Music Modernization Act in 2018 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_Modernization_Act ), OTR was not *Federally* copyrighted. However, it was instead covered under what remained of state copyright laws, which were inconsistent and varied from state to state. This changed in 2018.


Re: Old-Time Radio Researchers Facebook Group?

Randy Watts
 

It's pretty typical of how most Facebook groups seem to operate. Hundreds, if not thousands, of members, but only about a dozen or so who participate on a regular basis, and they have a tendency to be rather cliquish. The "I'm not a lawyer,  but . . ." arguments about the legal status of old radio shows are ongoing, as are the "all old radio should be free" and the "you have that show and I don't and that's not fair" complaints. There's a certain amount of snobbishness over formats (I only listen to original transcription discs/I only listen to CDs/I only listen to WAV files/I only listen to lossless/I only listen to 192 kbps or higher MP3s, etc.).

And practically none of it seems to have a thing to do with Old Time Radio Researchers. I'm not sure some of those people even know what Old Time Radio Researchers is, or would approve of it if they did.

That said, there are some nice folks and some interesting discussions here and along, and you can establish some contacts. Jerry Haendiges shares great-sounding files from his collection on a regular basis, which is probably the only way a  lot of folks will ever own anything from Jerry's collection because he's hiked his prices up to $20 per hour. 

So yeah, pretty much like most Facebook groups.


Re: Old-Time Radio Researchers Facebook Group?

Bob@...
 

I appreciate the Facebook group posts from folks like Joe Webb, Liz McLeod, Jerry Haendeges, Martin Grams & Paul Kornman,  who actually share information & links about the people and history of both radio and radio-transcription-collecting. I scroll past people trying to promote events, sell things, argue about copyright, or just post "teaser" photos of boxes of tapes, disc labels and other ephemera that they have collected. 

If someone asks a rare question that I can answer -- or look up an answer to, I do... and try to point newcomers to research resources on the OTRR website and Goldindex to do more "research" of their own. And on the rare occasion that I post or update something at jheroes.com, I share a link there and sometimes get useful feedback. Which reminds me that I have a half dozen new things I've neglected to post. But, heck, it's so nice out... :-) 

I subscribe to this list, but mostly read email on my phone and links to reply to messages seem to be a problem, stumbling over my multiple email addresses. (I subscribed to this list with a university account that is forwarded to my gmail account, but the university security wizards add something that disables some links.)

Today I'm on my new laptop and things are working better. :-) 

In any case, thanks to group members for being multi-modal...  <3 

 


Re: Old-Time Radio Researchers Facebook Group?

Ryan Ellett
 

I agree with most of what others have said. There's a handful of individuals who only post links to various streaming OTR material. It doesn't add much but there's not so much of it that the channel gets clogged so we let it go. I try to avert my eyes when copyright discussions come up because it's like passing a car wreck on the highway with the same participants every time. To my knowledge there's little actual case law on the old radio programs so it's pretty much everyone sharing amateur legal opinions which have little to no real value. There can be quality technical discussions for those working with reels and transcription recordings but that is a tiny fraction of the membership. There are the recurring discussions/arguments about "hoarding" vs. "sharing." The same points are made, no opinions are changed, and the topic quiets down only to flare up again a few weeks later. There are a couple individuals who are quite vocal about their frustration with how the hobby has changed in the last 20 years, especially that so much material is now free. They're free to have their opinions and I'm free to skip over their posts. We do have to shut down threads and delete comments occasionally, as things can get heated.  Although it really hasn't been a boon to the group, I do think it has value because about anyone who is serious in the hobby (OTRR participant or not) is on that Facebook page (perhaps under alternate IDs) so it keeps our groups somewhat at the center of the OTR FB scene. Is it worth getting on FB to be in the group? Absolutely not. Don't expect too much from it and you won't be disappointed!
Ryan

www.RyanEllett.com


The Old Time Radio Researchers
"Saving the Past for the Future"




Re: Old-Time Radio Researchers Facebook Group?

Joe Webb
 

I'm on the FB page "all the time" but I use it for messaging direct with some of the OTRR folks with whom I'm working on projects

Yes, there are some topics that make you think you're at the worst family Thanksgiving dinner, like accusations of "hoarding", "i know more about copyright law than you do" and all such thing. I just roll my eyes and move on

BUT

It is important that we be there even if we have to occasionally hold our nose or avert our eyes

There are LOTS of new fans and collectors there -- and we need to welcome them to the hobby and cultivate their interests. We do that with information and with access to the resources that OTRR has developed. We especially need to get them involved in the purchasing group and especially to feel comfortable volunteering for various tasks with research and archives

It's worth checking in to see if there are constructive or proactive things that can be done that push the negative stuff into the background.

The most rewarding place I go for the hard day-to-day stuff and the detailed research support that's needed is at Cobalt Club, free to join and free to participate. https://cobaltclubannex.forumotion.com/   I post a Suspense upgrade and some show history most every day. The most traveled thread there is "Sharing Shows from My Collection" where there are some really nice recordings shared every day. The forum has a good and long history.

Facebook is not a good venue for the kinds of tasks that collectors do, so I mainly use it for getting or supplying collector news. It is also worthwhile for some other things, such as when Jerry Haendiges posts something new from disc most every day, usually a music or variety program. I have met many collectors and friends there, some are re-connections from 20 or 30 years ago.

So FB has its place -- and if you can grimace and move on from the annoying stuff and focus on the other stuff it can be a good place for us to find new members and lead them here or to Cobalt and other more positive venues.


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Re: Old-Time Radio Researchers Facebook Group?

Wild West Designs
 

I think on one hand, with the newbies, have something of an "imposter's complex" going on.  May not be the case, but I think there is some of that as well.

Now, I must say, I'm not one that goes for change just for change.  If the points are good and compelling to change, that's one thing, but change just to change, not so much.  I am not saying that's the case in this instance, I haven't been on (for different reasons not related to the group) on the facebook group I think 1.5 yrs, maybe 2 at this point.  So I don't which way the wind blows there now.

I definitely have seen a share of "holy wars" that people were just digging in to dig their heels in, so there could be that as well.  It's a complex situation.  As long as good valid points are presented (regardless if it's for keeping with the old or going with the new), I think things should be heard.  Those points should be upheld or withdrawn due to the merit of the points themselves.  But just keeping or doing away for "just because it's new or its old", not so much. 


Evan


On 2022-05-31 11:12 PM, John wrote:

There are occasional good discussions, but it's mostly the same dozen or so people participating, most of whom have nothing new to say and are resistant to any discussion examining the status quo or how to take the subject forward into the next generation. Lots of calcified attitudes and protection of turf. It's not a very welcoming environment, especially to those interested in trying to take a new look at things and challenging prevailing and outmoded attitudes.


Re: Old-Time Radio Researchers Facebook Group?

John
 

There are occasional good discussions, but it's mostly the same dozen or so people participating, most of whom have nothing new to say and are resistant to any discussion examining the status quo or how to take the subject forward into the next generation. Lots of calcified attitudes and protection of turf. It's not a very welcoming environment, especially to those interested in trying to take a new look at things and challenging prevailing and outmoded attitudes.


Re: Old-Time Radio Researchers Facebook Group?

Wild West Designs
 

Since I quit Facebook, one thing that I had missed was that interaction.  Wondered how it weathered as far as participation goes.  Still fairly active?  A remember a few that were on the more technical end on audio engineering and the nitty gritty of collecting.  Still have those discussion?


Evan West


On 2022-05-31 06:24 PM, Ryan Ellett via groups.io wrote:

Yes, that Facebook group is our extension into that platform. It was created by Jim Beshires. However, it hasn't proven to be very helpful with our group projects and the vast majority of members there are not active here and are really not even familiar with the work we do. It's become more of a general old-time radio page than anything specifically for our group. 
Ryan
 
www.RyanEllett.com
 
 
The Old Time Radio Researchers
"Saving the Past for the Future"
 
 
 
 
On Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 06:13:35 PM CDT, John <cbsrmt.online@...> wrote:
 
 
I'm curious how this groups.io group is related to the Facebook group of the same name. Are they managed by the same people?
thx


Re: Old-Time Radio Researchers Facebook Group?

John
 

Thanks Ryan. I've been kicked out of that group twice for having reasonable opinions that one of the moderators doesn't like. It's bad PR.

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