Re: General Radio Network
Richard Davenport
What comes to mind initially is perhaps it has something to do with General Mills as a sponsor. I too tried multiple variations on the search theme General Radio and found nothing. What show was playing when you heard this intro? Rick Labor ipse voluptas
On Friday, October 22, 2021, 01:01:49 PM CDT, Scott Mahan <scott@...> wrote:
You think maybe that is RKO General?
From: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io <main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Maupin
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 10:35 AM To: 'main@oldtimeradioresearchers.groups.io' <main@oldtimeradioresearchers.groups.io> Subject: [OldTimeRadioResearchers] General Radio Network
Good morning and happy Friday to everybody!
I have been spot checking an OTR series for sound quality, and at the beginning of several episodes the announcer has distinctly said "This is General Radio." This does not appear to be an instance of syndication in which something generic will be said that leads to dead air or a musical interlude that gives local stations time to insert their commercials. But when I type "General Radio Network" into my browser, nothing intelligible comes up?
Can any of the many OTR scholars and collectors in this group provide some information on this?
Thank you very much,
Larry Maupin
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Re: General Radio Network
Larry Maupin
Thank you very much Scott, and that may be possible. But the announcer seems to say General Radio the same way you would say CBS radio or NBC radio. The series is Front Page Drama, many episodes of which are in the OTRR Library. If you or anyone else in the group would like to listen to the first two or three minutes of a couple of episodes you should hear the announcement, and that could lead to a conclusive answer to the question of whether a General Radio Network ever existed even for a brief time. Does the fact that the announcer says it existed confirm that it did? Could it have been a regional network?
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Larry Maupin
Good morning and happy Friday to everybody!
I have been spot checking an OTR series for sound quality, and at the beginning of several episodes the announcer has distinctly said "This is General Radio." This does not appear to be an instance of syndication in which something generic will be said that leads to dead air or a musical interlude that gives local stations time to insert their commercials. But when I type "General Radio Network" into my browser, nothing intelligible comes up?
Can any of the many OTR scholars and collectors in this group provide some information on this?
Thank you very much,
Larry Maupin
-- Larry Maupin
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Re: General Radio Network
Scott Mahan
You think maybe that is RKO General?
From: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io <main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Maupin
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 10:35 AM To: 'main@oldtimeradioresearchers.groups.io' <main@oldtimeradioresearchers.groups.io> Subject: [OldTimeRadioResearchers] General Radio Network
Good morning and happy Friday to everybody!
I have been spot checking an OTR series for sound quality, and at the beginning of several episodes the announcer has distinctly said "This is General Radio." This does not appear to be an instance of syndication in which something generic will be said that leads to dead air or a musical interlude that gives local stations time to insert their commercials. But when I type "General Radio Network" into my browser, nothing intelligible comes up?
Can any of the many OTR scholars and collectors in this group provide some information on this?
Thank you very much,
Larry Maupin
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General Radio Network
Larry Maupin
Good morning and happy Friday to everybody!
I have been spot checking an OTR series for sound quality, and at the beginning of several episodes the announcer has distinctly said "This is General Radio." This does not appear to be an instance of syndication in which something generic will be said that leads to dead air or a musical interlude that gives local stations time to insert their commercials. But when I type "General Radio Network" into my browser, nothing intelligible comes up? Can any of the many OTR scholars and collectors in this group provide some information on this? Thank you very much, Larry Maupin
-- Larry Maupin
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Re: Remembering Joe Hehn (1931-2020) -- details about enjoying his collection today
Joe Webb
Thank you to all -- it's been an honor to work on this collection.
If you have OTR friends who are not members of this groups.io page, please give them this link: https://sites.google.com/view/joehehnmemorialcollection/home It has background about the collection and Joe, and links to all of the recordings, scripts, etc. In answer to Walden's question: Many programs fell out of circulation or were not put into circulation. I have some examples. Somehow Joe ended up with a good number of discs of Road of Life and Land of the Lost... they just never got transferred! Many of the early collectors in his time never really traded... or lost interest... or passed away... so their collections were never digitized. And then there's the Suspense situation that I can use as an example. As everyone knows, I am collecting every possible version of Suspense whether they are network, east coast network, west coast network, AFRS, AFRTS, airchecks, home recordings, etc. It's been a fascinating year or so as we go through old collections because we are finding AFRS programs and airchecks that fell out of circulation because network recordings became available. Then when 1980s collectors started to make "sets" of Suspense, they only took one recording... and may not have known that there were east and west and other versions. So only one version of the program stayed in circulation. And those were the collections that became digitized. With the Hehn collection and the Falk collection, both of which OTRR acquired, we now have around 60% of the east and west broadcasts in some form from the Roma era. I thought maybe 10 of them existed -- not 10 percent -- 10!!! And then there's the question of what's in good sound. Many of these early collectors traded 1200' reels at 7.5ips. That meant at most there was 2 hours on a tape if they had a quarter track machine, and 1 hour if they had a half track machine. So much of Joe's collection was half track. And he did his best to trade with others who had transcription discs. Jump ahead 30 years and those collectors are long gone, but the hobby is digitizing copies of copies of copies of copies that had buildups of hiss, tape noise, and electrical noise in the background. We've had a few situations of finding really crisp copies of programs that we thought were always in bad sound. If a program was in bad sound, they often fell out of circulation. We're finding curious things here and there... it's been quite an adventure. And OTRR picked up another vintage reel collection just recently that is likely to hold more treasures. -- ---------- Suspense resource page https://sites.google.com/view/suspense-collectors-companion Suspense enhanced log https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11XflGB-S18jQ8JPr4EV1C9aZsRM_3Dw4xlLpGqgpBiU/edit?usp=sharing The Whistler Files https://sites.google.com/view/the-whistler-files The Big Story Revealed! https://sites.google.com/view/thestoriesbehindthebigstory/ Casey, Crime Photographer episode analysis https://bluenotebulletin.blogspot.com/
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Re: Remembering Joe Hehn (1931-2020) -- details about enjoying his collection today
Gordon Johansen
Thanks for a wonderful writeup Joe. Your
description of what he did and had to deal with and the dedication
involved in doing it was wonderful.
Gord Joe Webb via groups.io wrote on 10/17/21 6:17 AM: Today is the anniversary Joe Hehn's passing on this date last year. OTRR has participated in the transfer of his collection and its posting on archive.org for everyone to enjoy. --
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Re: Remembering Joe Hehn (1931-2020) -- details about enjoying his collection today
Walden Hughes
Hi Joe,
Great write up. Thank you. In your research of going through collectors catalog of the 1960s and 1970s. Are there shows listed back then that is not out in the hobby today? Take care,
Walden
From: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io [mailto:main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Webb via groups.io
Today is the anniversary Joe Hehn's passing on this date last year. OTRR has participated in the transfer of his collection and its posting on archive.org for everyone to enjoy.
Brown wished him luck at the end of the letter. What an awful way to get Hi Brown's autograph. ----------
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Re: Remembering Joe Hehn (1931-2020) -- details about enjoying his collection today
John K5MO
"As I met many of the people whom he wrote to in the mid-60s, or at least
knew about them, at radio conventions of the 1970s and 1980s, it was
only then that they had an appreciation of it all -- and it was as their
friends were passing away that they wanted to talk to people and fans
about it. Joe was too early," That's a great summary of Mr Hehn's life and passion. The quote above is interesting to me as it illustrates that the tipping point where first person history is still available but interest is low, is a very narrow one. This is certainly true of most any hobby , interest or collectible. Thanks for the history, I'm sure Mr Hehn would be happy that it was shared. John
Today is the anniversary Joe Hehn's passing on this date last year. OTRR has participated in the transfer of his collection and its posting on archive.org for everyone to enjoy.
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Remembering Joe Hehn (1931-2020) -- details about enjoying his collection today
Joe Webb
Today is the anniversary Joe Hehn's passing on this date last year. OTRR has participated in the transfer of his collection and its posting on archive.org for everyone to enjoy.
This is a picture of Joe Hehn that appeared in a 1969 newspaper story about him... ![]() ... the binder he is writing in is in my possession right now among other things that remain to be scanned from this past year. The collection is at https://archive.org/details/joe-hehn and all of the audio files are available in FLAC or mp3. Our group of 25 collectors who have transferred discs and reels and research and organization and funds have made an effort to post only those recordings that are "new" or fell out of circulation, are equal or better or more complete than currently circulating recordings. Many of the tapes had dried out and we all had our "home cures" for getting one last good recording out of them. Our disc dubbers are among the best our hobby has to offer. All of it has had the benefit of today's incredible computer audio processing tools. What those early collectors considered as excellent often had severe disc rumble, tape hiss, was not on proper speed... but they cherished the recordings because they saved each of them from certain oblivion. There's more to come over this next year in terms of audio. Most of Joe's recordings were already in circulation among collectors for a long time, but we were able to make some very nice sound upgrades, and in some cases, significant sound upgrades to what has been around. The disc recordings are still being worked on -- they're all recorded, and still many in line for sound processing. Some discs were very fragile and just didn't make the trip in the mails -- we knew that would happen to some of them -- but nothing of great significance was lost. There were some things that Joe had that were not in circulation much, such as some episodes of MGM Radio Theater, the soap opera Road of Life, the kids' serial Land of the Lost and some incidental recordings of more popular programs. There were "new" recordings of the soap opera Ethel & Albert. The show was written by Peg Lynch, who was incredibly prolific in writing the series that also went to TV. Her granddaughter was extremely pleased to have copies of the programs that had not been heard since they were first broadcast in the early 1940s. All of the correspondence, photos, scripts were scanned. The correspondence and the notes were often heartbreaking for me. Most had damage from moisture which blurred much of the signatures and such. He was planning a history of the juvenile serials, which if published, would have been a monumental early work for the hobby but also radio history. It was not to be. He wrote letters, made phone calls, pounded the streets of New York City after hours of train rides and car drives from northeast Pennsylvania, got people to vouch for his honesty and passion, had a commitment from Scholastic publishers, and then... nothing... Joe kept all of his carbon copies of letters he sent to prominent radio people, ad agencies, stations, and such. So much of the correspondence was follow-up for their non-response. I kept picturing him coming home from work and opening up the envelopes to just see yet another turndown from something. It got to me a bit and there were times I could not look at the box of letters for weeks, but I did narrow things down to the most important ones. There were a couple of bright spots. He got an incredibly nice letter from the woman who wrote the serial he enjoyed so much, Chandu the Magician, with lots of details about the production. He also had a multi-month correspondence with writer/director/producer Jack Johnstone. The day when Suspense and Yours Truly Johnny Dollar went off the air, September 30, 1962, known among some collectors as "the day radio died," Jack wrote both scripts, and did his usual Johnny Dollar episode as director and producer. Then Jack walked away and retired after 30+ years doing some prominent radio work. It dawned on me that Jack wrote to Joe because he retired and was away from it, and it wasn't the free time, he had developed some distance and perspective that had him love the era as much as Joe did. Most everyone Joe was writing to was still in the business in some way. They didn't have the time to savor what they did. It was still a job for them, just like it was when they did it decades before. The letter he got from Himan Brown that said Frankly, what anyone would want with a history of the shows you are trying to gather together is beyond me.Brown wished him luck at the end of the letter. What an awful way to get Hi Brown's autograph. As I met many of the people whom he wrote to in the mid-60s, or at least knew about them, at radio conventions of the 1970s and 1980s, it was only then that they had an appreciation of it all -- and it was as their friends were passing away that they wanted to talk to people and fans about it. Joe was too early, but he had a passion for it that they could not sync with. It hurt me to see it all. It seems like the whole effort to his correspondence came to an end in 1967 or 1968. Despite the disappointment, Joe continued to appear on radio talk shows, local television, and his biggest legacy is the thousands of presentations he made to local clubs and religious organizations, and especially senior living facilities of all levels. As his age advanced, those twice-weekly visits to residents kept him going. The COVID lockdown meant there could be no more visits. The imposed lack of social interaction was overwhelming. The isolation ended up affecting his day-to-day routines and his health started to spiral downward. Luckily, fortuitous circumstances led to the securing of his reels and papers that had not been viewed other than moving them for about 20 or 30 years. They would have been thrown out. The generous cooperation of many people came about at the right time. There are details to the story that even they are not aware of that will stay private, for now. One of the things I like to collect from the era of Joe's collecting are the catalogs that collectors made of their. All of them thought that they were in a race against time because everything was being thrown out at the stations and ad agencies. So their catalogs were prepared with great care and with detailed descriptions of almost every single recording. They are great resources for the history of our hobby. A collector friend of mine in Australia, Keith Scott, is a voice actor and impressionist who was brought to the states to work on the Bullwinkle movie in 2000ish. He met Skip Craig, the Head of Production for Jay Ward and all those Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoons that had some of radio's greatest voices (especially William Conrad!) -- he was a famous old radio collector at the time. [John Dunning dedicated Tune in Yesterday to Skip]. So all these years later, Skip Craig's catalog is in Joe's papers -- Keith was thrilled to get it as he had never seen it before ((shhhh! don't tell anyone that Craig had his collection on punch cards and ran his catalog on Jay Ward's mainframe and line printer -- it's just between us)) In the end, Joe's collection turned out to be rather small in comparison to the collections that we can have today, and even smaller once the items that have since been available in better sound than he had were cast aside. But that small collection has been so rewarding to work on for what was there, untouched or re-discoverable, these pioneer collectors still affect our hobby today. Series like Road of Life, MGM Theater, Big Story, Whistler, have all had new "lost" recordings brought to our hobby in this process, and there are still more to come with lots of upgrades of numerous series, and lots of broadcasting curiosities. Joe, and his family and caretaker made it clear that they wanted his collection to be available to everyone. We came to an understanding that it would be best done that way through the Internet Archive (archive.org) and that there would be a "Joe Hehn Collection" there. I arranged it all through email with them. Joe passed away a week later. It became the "Joe Hehn Memorial Collection" and it is there, and being added to, and will "outlive" all of us as electrons. This is all far beyond what Joe could have imagined. I only spoke to Joe Hehn twice in my life. Once as a college kid starting in collecting, probably around 1977. And then a few days before he died over FaceTime. It wasn't the best of conversations because of his health but he was happy that he was remembered by one of his fellow collectors after all those many years. There are many collections of 1960s and 1970s collections that have been lost, but many are still to be saved. The "digital revolution" in our hobby in the 1990s and early 2000s was the encoding of reels and cassettes that were far removed from their early recordings and had built up generations of tape noise and hiss and speed variances that are best solved by getting as close to the original source recordings and transfers as possible. If you have never volunteered for getting involved in an OTR restoration effort such as this, it is worth considering. I have been involved in this hobby in one way or another since high school, in the early 1970s. This hobby has never been as enjoyable and rewarding as it has been for me in these past few years. The effort needs more volunteers for all kinds of tasks, with no real experience necessary. Take some time today to enjoy the Hehn collection, and to thank all those pioneer collectors from the mid-1960s and forward to today, whose sweat and time and skill created all of the recordings of that brief age of radio. https://archive.org/details/joe-hehn -- ---------- Suspense resource page https://sites.google.com/view/suspense-collectors-companion Suspense enhanced log https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11XflGB-S18jQ8JPr4EV1C9aZsRM_3Dw4xlLpGqgpBiU/edit?usp=sharing The Whistler Files https://sites.google.com/view/the-whistler-files The Big Story Revealed! https://sites.google.com/view/thestoriesbehindthebigstory/ Casey, Crime Photographer episode analysis https://bluenotebulletin.blogspot.com/
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Re: Marsha Hunt turning 104 this Sunday 10-17-21
Walden Hughes
Hi Joe,
As you know I am the keeper of the Frank Bresee archives and when we had Marsha over at Frank studio one of the show Frank presented in the interview is a Suspense show starring Marsha. Frank had the disc. Take care,
Walden
From: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io [mailto:main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Webb via groups.io
I believe this makes her the only surviving Suspense guest star to the end of the Roma Wines era (Nov 20, 1947). ----------
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Re: Marsha Hunt turning 104 this Sunday 10-17-21
Joe Webb
I believe this makes her the only surviving Suspense guest star to the end of the Roma Wines era (Nov 20, 1947).
She was in Pink Camilias and Self Defense She did not appear on Suspense again until the late 1950s Thanks for all you do to stay in touch with these folks, Walden! -- ---------- Suspense resource page https://sites.google.com/view/suspense-collectors-companion Suspense enhanced log https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11XflGB-S18jQ8JPr4EV1C9aZsRM_3Dw4xlLpGqgpBiU/edit?usp=sharing The Whistler Files https://sites.google.com/view/the-whistler-files The Big Story Revealed! https://sites.google.com/view/thestoriesbehindthebigstory/ Casey, Crime Photographer episode analysis https://bluenotebulletin.blogspot.com/
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Marsha Hunt turning 104 this Sunday 10-17-21
Walden Hughes
Hi Everybody,
I just got off the phone with Marsha hunt. I called her to wish her a happy birthday. She will turn 104 this Sunday 10-17-21. We will play a show with her to help celebrate this week end on YUSA. Take care,
Walden
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Re: Lost Aussie radio show Burton Trent - Master Detective
Ian Grieve
Its not a problem. I included the link so you could get the full story. Ian
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Re: Lost Aussie radio show Burton Trent - Master Detective
Scott
Sorry my mistake.
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Re: Lost Aussie radio show Burton Trent - Master Detective
Ian Grieve
Someone has grabbed the shows from my blog Dated November 2014. The story of how they were found is here in two parts https://www.australianotr.com.au/blog/archives/11-2014 The worst surface condition of any discs I have cleaned. I have worst condition discs waiting to be recorded, peeling surfaces or more waves than the Pacific Ocean, but these were the filthiest and I was surprised they turned out as good as they did. No, they aren't the only two surviving episodes. They are just the only two I have made available. Ian
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Subject: [OldTimeRadioResearchers] Lost Aussie radio show Burton Trent - Master Detective
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Lost Aussie radio show Burton Trent - Master Detective
Scott
I found this show at archive.org it's a Aussie detective show that almost nobody knows anything about.
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SPERDVAC Presents: The Sonic Society
John Gassman
Hi, As you may know, SPERDVAC is doing monthly meetings once again and now virtually. All are invited to attend via Zoom. Here is the information for this Saturday's meeting. Please take note of the email you send to in order to get the zoojm room invitation. It will also air live on yesterdayusa.com. Choose the blue network. The Sonic Society, scheduled for Saturday October 16Â
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Re: Interesting sound fx fail on Suspense on East broadcast, gets it right on West
Phil Becker
Happy to help. Really appreciate all the work you do on OTR,
Phil
From: main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io
[mailto:main@OldTimeRadioResearchers.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Webb via groups.io
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Re: Interesting sound fx fail on Suspense on East broadcast, gets it right on West
indeed yes, a typo on my part not sure how you saw that because i edited that whole section out a minute after the initial post that was copied and pasted from cobalt club. no one here should have been able to see the section about "green-eyed monster" with lloyd nolan unless they were on about the same time i was putting it up glad you caught it! fixed my file name accordingly, and the original cobalt post -- future generations have been saved from the errors of "my two finger typing" :) you should join us there https://cobaltclubannex.forumotion.com -- it's free -- ---------- Suspense resource page https://sites.google.com/view/suspense-collectors-companion Suspense enhanced log https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11XflGB-S18jQ8JPr4EV1C9aZsRM_3Dw4xlLpGqgpBiU/edit?usp=sharing The Whistler Files https://sites.google.com/view/the-whistler-files The Big Story Revealed! https://sites.google.com/view/thestoriesbehindthebigstory/ Casey, Crime Photographer episode analysis https://bluenotebulletin.blogspot.com/
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Re: Final Post on Fibber McGee Episodes
Richard Davenport
Larry, I was mainly interested in seeing what episodes were coming up for availability. I’ll have to look at my budget to see if I can afford to join. It was the information I was mainly interested in.
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On Oct 5, 2021, at 7:28 AM, Larry Maupin <lmaupin@...> wrote:
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